ribzanelli Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Most havent even thought it through... YOU CANT PROMOTE SIDES BASED ON THEIR POSITION IN AN INCOMPLETE SEASON! They scream... Next minute they're wanting to use positions in an incomplete season to promote sides... Apparently promoting teams in the guaranteed promotion spot of top is a travesty and disgrace to the sport, but promoting sides in the play offs, who have no guarantee of promotion, is clearly the correct move. You can’t use the current league table cos it’s incomplete but let’s dish out prize money based on the current league table...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, ribzanelli said: You can’t use the current league table cos it’s incomplete but let’s dish out prize money based on the current league table...... Quite. Remarkable how many of these justice warriors happily suggest scenarios where other clubs lose out but their own club benefits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champions Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Dont promote anyone then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) Honestly can’t decide if our Chairman is having a nightmare over all this or is playing an absolute blinder. Is it possible to be doing both? Edited April 15, 2020 by roverthemoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith1974 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, champions said: Dont promote anyone then. Would you be saying that if your team were top of the league I very much doubt it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie76 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Honestly can’t decide if our Chairman is having a nightmare over all this or is playing an absolute blinder. Is it possible to be doing both? He’s not playing a blinder that’s for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said: He’s not playing a blinder that’s for sure. Why not? He's doing everything he can to get his club the best possible outcome. That's what he's there for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, champions said: Dont promote anyone then. I'm sure in a scenario where, due to rules, Falkirk were denied promotion, your fans would just accept that and not moan about it for decades after... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I'm sure in a scenario where, due to rules, Falkirk were denied promotion, your fans would just accept that and not moan about it for decades after... At the end of the day noone would be being denied promotion they would be being denied the chance of promotion. Raith may or may not have won the league promotion was not a given for them. Edited April 15, 2020 by Shadwell Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank von Hell Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 13 hours ago, sirscottyoung said: Heard a wee rumour that may or may not be from spfl mouth directly about plans for a 16/16/16 league set up under the reconstruction plans being thrown about. Just look at how good that would be. Personally think this will save Scottish football and make people interested in their clubs again. Top tier of: Celtic Rangers Motherwell Aberdeen Livingston Hibs St J Killie St mirren Ross county Hamilton Hearts Dundee utd Inverness Dundee Ayr Second tier of: Dunfy Arbroath Morton Alloa Qots Partick Raith Falkirk Airdrie Montrose EF Dumbarton Clyde Peterhead Forfar Stranraer Third tier of: Cove Edin Cowden Queens Elgin Annan Stirling Albion Brechin Brora Kelty Fraserburgh Bonnyrigg Inverurie East Stirling Sign me up now The fuel bill alone would bankrupt those clubs in that Third Tier. And what about the global warming, oh I forgot the planet is already fcuked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Yep. It will be. But realistically, they'll be the only ones to throw the toys out the pram over this. Promotion / no relegation / no championship gets you Rangers, Hearts, ICT, Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer and Edinburgh at a stroke. Dundee and East Fife might vote for it but it wouldn't matter either way. Celtic can howl at the moon all they like. You'd need 11 Premiership clubs to vote in favour of reconstruction, so all it takes is one club other than Celtic to be against it for whatever reason (eg increased chance of relegation, dilution of guaranteed income). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champions Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I'm sure in a scenario where, due to rules, Falkirk were denied promotion, your fans would just accept that and not moan about it for decades after... Completely different. We won the league on merit, having completed the whole season. Remove promotion/relegation this season, increase the number of automatic promotion spots for next season and we go again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, champions said: Completely different. We won the league on merit, having completed the whole season. Remove promotion/relegation this season, increase the number of automatic promotion spots for next season and we go again. Yes, but Falkirk knew at the start of that season they couldnt get promoted, as the rules were there for all to see. Yet your fans still bleat about it as an injustice. Remember how your own club/fans act next time you start criticising others. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) Obviously fans are looking after our own teams, some are just more embarrassing at doing it than others! We are 1 point behind Raith with them to come to our place, would any team be happy just rolling over and accepting it? If we were in Raith's position of course we would be wanting promotion, it would then be up to Raith to fight for what they think would be fair for them! Edited April 15, 2020 by Ecosse83 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Hand on heart it would be much more of an injustice Partick being relegated than Falkirk being denied the chance of winning promotion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, champions said: Completely different. We won the league on merit, having completed the whole season. Whilst others struggled to build stadiums you just ploughed all your cash into your squad. One persons ‘merit’ is another persons ‘financial doping’. It’s all about perspective, and once the dust finally settles on this debacle, there will be plenty of competing perspectives for folk to argue about for years. Edited April 15, 2020 by roverthemoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: That's kind of my point. You're reproducing tables without any context. You don't know what's been paid or not and neither do the rags you quote. This It has Alloa 3rd bottom of the Champioship to receive £511,500 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Hand on heart it would be much more of an injustice Partick being relegated than Falkirk being denied the chance of winning promotion. Not sure Partick can complain too much if they came down at our expense though. We’ve already beaten them this season and looked a superior team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said: Obviously fans are looking after our own teams, some are just more embarrassing at doing it than others! We are 1 point behind Raith with them to come to our place, would any team be happy just rolling over and accepting it? If we were in Raith's position of course we would be wanting promotion, it would then be up to Raith to fight for what they think would be fair for them! This. There’s no good guys or bad guys in any of this. Clubs are just looking after their own narrow interests. If the league had been stopped one week later, Falkirk and Rovers league position might have been reversed and each club would be taking a completely different stance than they are at the moment. No problem at all with that. If we were in Hearts, Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer’s position then I’d be livid and want my club to vote No. And if they were in ours, they’d have voted Yes, so let’s not try and pretend there’s a principled and an unprincipled position in all of this. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Yes, but Falkirk knew at the start of that season they couldnt get promoted, as the rules were there for all to see. Yet your fans still bleat about it as an injustice. Remember how your own club/fans act next time you start criticising others. Our plan was to groundshare at that point. ICT were allowed to first ground share and then against top flight rules change grounds half way through a season. Was ok for them but not us. Then you wonder why we bleat about injustice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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