itzdrk Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bailey1972 said: Thanks for the clarification. However, did he officially leave or did Hearts officially relieve him of his duties. I can't confirm but I would say no given the language that was used in interviews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 5 hours ago, ribzanelli said: Not wishing to stick up for Hearts but is it not the case that they are happy for teams at the top to be named champions, but they don’t think said champions should be promoted? 5 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: The want to reward sides with titles, european qualification and prize money, based on their position, but dont want to reward sides with promotion. Yeah she's cherry picking what's best for Hearts. If she's happy for teams sitting top of the league when the season stopped, to be called champions, then promotion should also be awarded. The fact she's happy for European places to be handed out to the top 3 /4 Premiership teams, backs this up, but no, she doesn't want promotions as that means Hearts relegation stands. Has to be one or the other if it is a fair proposal, but that would mean bringing Celtic into it, something Hearts have blatantly avoided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, bennett said: £1.5m to sky, plus spfl sponsorship 'free' to sky. 6 hours ago, djchapsticks said: Where? Show me a single link showing the SPFL have agreed to a sponsorship with anyone. Much less Sky, much less 'free'. I noticed another Rangers fan spouting about this on Twitter a few days ago and asked then to helpfully provide the link showing 'free' sponsorship and funnily enough there was no response. Hmmm. Appears that yet another Rangers supporter challenged on the 'FrEe SkY sPoNsOrShIp iZ a pYoOr DiSgRaCe' stance has clammed up when asked to provide a solitary piece of evidence to back up this claim that Sky are sponsoring the SPFL for next season and doing so for free. Uncanny, really. Edited June 21, 2020 by djchapsticks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Hmmm. Appears that yet another Rangers supporter challenged on the 'FrEe SkY sPoNsOrShIp iZ a pYoOr DiSgRaCe' stance has clammed up when asked to provide a solitary piece of evidence to back up this claim that Sky are sponsoring the SPFL for next season and doing so for free. Uncanny, really. If the SPFL are due money to Sky, it's surely a smarter move to pay them off in kind (through, say, throwing them the advertising) than actually digging out cash and paying them directly, which would cost more. Because no cash might transfer from Sky to the SPFL in a bank account, it might look like 'free sponsorship' to the usual zoomers perpetually on the lookout for fuel for self righteous outrage, but it's actually a good thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Aim Here said: If the SPFL are due money to Sky, it's surely a smarter move to pay them off in kind (through, say, throwing them the advertising) than actually digging out cash and paying them directly, which would cost more. Because no cash might transfer from Sky to the SPFL in a bank account, it might look like 'free sponsorship' to the usual zoomers perpetually on the lookout for fuel for self righteous outrage, but it's actually a good thing. Thing is though, the payment to Sky was announced by the SPFL in a press-release as £1.5m to be paid over the duration of the new contract. This would be the equivalent to 3 quarters of a season's sponsorship under what Ladbrokes were paying. If this payment was in anyway tied up in league sponsorship or funds were partially offset by offering up the sponsorship rights, surely the time to announce such an agreement would have been at the time of clarifying the details of the payout. However, as nothing was mentioned, it stands to reason, at least that as of writing, Sky aren't sponsoring the league and the rebate isn't being offset by sponsorship rights being given to Sky for free. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 20/06/2020 at 13:30, Henderson to deliver ..... said: We're way off topic now The bit in bold is key, jobs, services etc. were an afterthought when these estates were thrown up on the periphery of the city. No surprise then, when some of it barely lasted 30 years. It's for another thread anyway, unless we're talking about razing Tynecastle to build social housing after Hearts are chucked out of Scottish football. best idea I have seen yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 20/06/2020 at 17:39, DeeTillEhDeh said: Try being 50+. or even late 60 plus,,,,,,,,ish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 20/06/2020 at 19:45, Shotgun said: 42 team division. Each team plays the other four times, twice home, twice away. 82 games each, one every 3 days. No postponements regardless of the weather, pitch conditions or international weekends. At the end of that, use the league standings to divide the teams into 3 divisions of 12-12-14. Award Falkirk the championship and put Hearts and Partick into the Welsh league, Celtic and Sevco into the Marianas Trench. Everybody wins. almost sensible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 17 hours ago, buchan30 said: I did have sympathy for hearts, thistle and stranrear. They lost out because they were bottom when the leagues stopped. On points per game, they were still bottom, although partick had the game in hand so i can see why they are aggrieved. They are making the point that - why should teams lose out because of a global pandemic? Yet they are happy for the teams that have been top of their leagues for the majority of the season as well to lose out? Bit of hypocrisy going on. What happens if hearts win this? Do united, raith and cove end up fighting it and and we just go on and on? Maybe in the english/german leagues they can restart because of the bankroll of sky money, but scottish football lower leagues can’t because we don’t have the cash to play the rest of the season plus at least 1/4 of next season behind closed doors. Would budge happily see others go bust to save hearts skin? And where are they pulling this sum of 10 million from? Dundee are reporting losses of half a million, so i doubt that between partick and hearts they are losing as much as that. A sensible post amongst a sea of kech, and spot on with the realities of finances in Scottish lower league football. I really don't have the answer, BUT I do know this ....... That real supporters of football in Scotland ..... NOT just Hearts fanatics, must be aghast at the disdain of a once well respected team such as Heart of Midlothian and their unreasonable exacerbation of a situation that stems from the fact that come the lockdown; ( caused by a pandemic that is killing thousands) they were the team that was to be relegated, to the extent that basically they don't care what long term damage they may do to 1; the game in Scotland. 2. other teams in lower leagues. 3. the integrity of their own club, simply because their tem was treated unfairly ................... well might I just mention that throughout the world this virus has ended the lives of around half a million people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, jaybeee said: A sensible post amongst a sea of kech, and spot on with the realities of finances in Scottish lower league football. I really don't have the answer, BUT I do know this ....... That real supporters of football in Scotland ..... NOT just Hearts fanatics, must be aghast at the disdain of a once well respected team such as Heart of Midlothian and their unreasonable exacerbation of a situation that stems from the fact that come the lockdown; ( caused by a pandemic that is killing thousands) they were the team that was to be relegated, to the extent that basically they don't care what long term damage they may do to 1; the game in Scotland. 2. other teams in lower leagues. 3. the integrity of their own club, simply because their tem was treated unfairly ................... well might I just mention that throughout the world this virus has ended the lives of around half a million people. This, and also i dont even think hearts have been treated unfairly at all, they've been unlucky the season ended abruptly for a very good reason. Unlucky. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 10 hours ago, itzdrk said: They were relegated so he's free to go, even if this is reversed when he left they were relegated. Like the players that left Partick recently activating clauses. I feel that's it's different players activating a relegation clause, to a club, who apparently don't think they've been relegated, activating a relegation clause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Get the feeling neither Hearts nor Stendel are particularly bothered about going their separate ways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 8 hours ago, jaybeee said: or even late 60 plus,,,,,,,,ish ^^^^ Old bugger found (at last) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, GordonD said: ^^^^ Old bugger found (at last) I doubt if he's in the same league as @Wee Willie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: I doubt if he's in the same league as @Wee Willie That was my thought as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) In the absence of a leaked/published SPFL reply to the Hearts Court of Session petition, I'm looking for clues as to what their defence is going to be. The Daily Record has this. While Ann Budge isn't even willing to sully her phone by having it take part in a call to a League 2 chairman even in the context of an actual SPFL vote on reconstruction, the Record is reporting that United and Raith are drumming up support for their court case among club chairmen. Thing is, while it's obvious what a a chairman's support can do for you in a straight-up vote, it's less obvious what they can do in a civil court case where they're not even named. Looking at the case, I suspect what's going on is that even if Hearts overturn the Dundee vote, they still have the (huge) hurdle to show that the clubs would have voted for something else had they been informed differently. There's a whole bunch of verbiage of the form "no reasonable member, properly informed, could have considered that the Written Resolution was in the interests of the Company" trying to give that impression. If this gets as far as evidence being presented, my guess is that it's going to be flatly contradicted by actual, factual, club chairmen, stating that they were, or at least are now, properly informed, that they are, indeed, a bunch of very reasonable folks, and that they'd still vote exactly the same way for reasons of sporting integrity and fairness and that Hearts are at it. The fact that the petition isn't demanding a retake of the vote, but just overrule by the judge is highly suggestive that Hearts know they'd only lose again. Edited June 22, 2020 by Aim Here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 If the Dundee vote is overturned, why would that not mean that Championships are also voided? Was a part of that vote not that it gave the SPFL board the power to call the Premiership season? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CALDERON said: If the Dundee vote is overturned, why would that not mean that Championships are also voided? Was a part of that vote not that it gave the SPFL board the power to call the Premiership season? The relief that Hearts and Thistle are asking for is not that the judge voids the vote, so much as overrule it so that promotion and relegation shouldn't happen (or alternatively that Thistle and Hearts get compensated with £squillions). Edited June 22, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Aim Here said: The relief that Hearts and Thistle are asking for is not that the judge voids the vote, so much as overrule it so that promotion and relegation shouldn't happen (or alternatively that Thistle and Hearts get compensated with £squillions). So essentially the vote and voting process wasn't the issue overall, just the part within that which did not benefit them? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaRichJambos Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I wonder if the SPFL aren't keen on a 14 team league? They might struggle to get 4 bigotfests in that structure. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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