Aim Here Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, St3vie said: Simple point to be made here The SPFL could make all this go away by simply answering some of these questions that are being put to them. If there is nothing to hide and no bullying, coercion or improper conduct of any kind, simply answer the questions and tell us what happened The dossier doesn't even allege bullying or coercion on the part of the SPFL. What it claims is that the chairmen of Alloa and Dunfermline pointed out that the Championship clubs would be inclined to vote to equalize prize payments if Dundee and ICT succeeded in negating the 'end the season on the basis of league position' vote. Pointing out the position of championship clubs in a future vote isn't any more of a 'threat' than normal Scottish football politics, and the chairmen of championship clubs pointing out what championship clubs are likely to do isn't evidence of SPFL bullying. The fact that one of the club chairmen is also an SPFL board member is irrelevant - the action threatened isn't action by the SPFL bureaucracy. It's no more an SPFL "threat" than it is a threat by Ross McArthur's masonic lodge or Mike Mulraney's bowling club. As far as the 'bullying' allegations are concerned, there's no case to answer. Rangers have, in the words of the American legal system, 'failed to state a case for which relief can be granted'. All they manage to allege is a non-SPFL non-threat. Edited May 7, 2020 by Aim Here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I assume that the Stewart Robertson guy will resign from either The Rangers board or the SPFL board immediately? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, bennett said: It'll calm down a bit by tomorrow, then it'll be easier to discuss the SPFLs cowboy antics. Dont think you are going to like this fella Vicky, make sure stay on his case, keep him inline..creepy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, KMCQ67 said: Look its a wee h** sticking up for his friends! its not just someone from the SPFL... Numerous people have been out on twitter to state that the document is a pile of BS! Well if numerous people on Twitter have slated the document, then thats that then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3vie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Bama Bhoy said: I think those who were allegedly bullied should be the ones to speak up. If they back Rangers claims, then the matter should be investigated, however if Rangers are just stirring the shit for the sake of it, they deserve to have the book thrown at them. This is about far more than clubs being somewhat bullied, there is tons of evidence now in the public domain of the SPFL either conveniently omitting information, deliberately not mentioning important things that could affect how clubs voted, not following proper processes and basically lying about their inability to advance money to clubs before calling the leagues. Its the SPFL who are stirring the pot with all this schite, Rangers are simply asking wtf are you playing at? -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, St3vie said: Simple point to be made here The SPFL could make all this go away by simply answering some of these questions that are being put to them. If there is nothing to hide and no bullying, coercion or improper conduct of any kind, simply answer the questions and tell us what happened Instead of doing that, all they are doing is issuing whitewash statements basically saying “nothing to see here, please move on”, and trying to discredit Rangers and anyone who questions them. Poor show In most civilised societies the onus is on the accuser to prove the accused's guilt. Innocent until proven guilty. It's up to Rangers to show us the evidence they have that is actual proof of wrongdoing. I'm amazed that so many Rangers fans are still being gulled and manipulated by their own board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, St3vie said: For me, the glaringly obvious question that needs to be answered is why the potential issue of a £10m liability to broadcasters if the league was ended, was not put to members ahead of the vote. How anyone can defend the SPFL for not disclosing that information is beyond me, ALL clubs should have known about that. What are you slevvering on about? The vote was to conclude the bottom three tiers and not the top flight, about which there has been no decision while everyone waited for this laughable dossier to be published. The broadcasters are utterly irrelevant to that decision, given that the only game that they'd even have thought about covering was the Premiership playoff final. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, St3vie said: Rangers are simply asking wtf are you playing at? Not the adverb I'd be using in this situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Bohemian said: Dont think you are going to like this fella Vicky, make sure stay on his case, keep him inline..creepy I like most folk QC, don't think that you can call him creepy after a few posts. Tbh the dossier will take a few days to digest properly, lots of short cuts and shoddy practices from our league tho. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, St3vie said: Simple point to be made here The SPFL could make all this go away by simply answering some of these questions that are being put to them. If there is nothing to hide and no bullying, coercion or improper conduct of any kind, simply answer the questions and tell us what happened Instead of doing that, all they are doing is issuing whitewash statements basically saying “nothing to see here, please move on”, and trying to discredit Rangers and anyone who questions them. Poor show Simple reply to be made here: The Rangers* could have asked these questions either publicly or privately at any time in the last 4-5 weeks and probably gotten an answer. Instead of doing that, they decided to claim conspiracy and that they had evidence that would bring Scottish football to it's knees. A claim which today has been proven to be, as most suspected, utter bollocks. All Rangers* have done is act up to their fanbase to further fuel the "everyones against us" vibe that has been going round since 2012 to help sell season tickets. Poor show. Edited May 7, 2020 by Jacky1990 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 18 hours ago, edinabear said: Hilarious that all the St. Patrick's Academy fans now think Neil Doncaster is the great, competent leader. I thought the SFA were all Orange, Proddie, masons? A lot of people on this thread are going to end up with egg on their face when this is released tomorrow 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, KMCQ67 said: Was recommended to sign up by a friend and it does not disappoint! You should have been here for The Banter Years thread in its prime ...... oh wait a minute !!! Edited May 7, 2020 by C4mmy31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3vie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Wilbur said: In most civilised societies the onus is on the accuser to prove the accused's guilt. Innocent until proven guilty. It's up to Rangers to show us the evidence they have that is actual proof of wrongdoing. I'm amazed that so many Rangers fans are still being gulled and manipulated by their own board. Right, so in the dossier today, it is in black and white that the SPFL did not include any information about a potential £10m liability to broadcasters if clubs voted to end the leagues, and did not include any information about what it saw as “substantial problems” around league reconstruction, in a paper sent to all clubs with regards to what they were about to vote on....the very thing that these two things were a consequence of Yet at the same time, they basically lied to clubs through saying they had no means to advance money to clubs without ending the league You are ok with this? You are ok with that paper being sent out without the SPFL board approving it? You are ok with the SPFL omitting factual information, while peddling lies at the same time? ....and you call me gullible? -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, bennett said: I like most folk QC, don't think that you can call him creepy after a few posts. Tbh the dossier will take a few days to digest properly, lots of short cuts and shoddy practices from our league tho. Few days to get the party line from FF more like Vicky... you digest something on your own.. please 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 This is about far more than clubs being somewhat bullied, there is tons of evidence now in the public domain of the SPFL either conveniently omitting information, deliberately not mentioning important things that could affect how clubs voted, not following proper processes and basically lying about their inability to advance money to clubs before calling the leagues. Its the SPFL who are stirring the pot with all this schite, Rangers are simply asking wtf are you playing at?In this omission of information thing, would it be at all relevant to note that there's a requirement for next season to start on time for the new broadcast deal to kick in? You know, the one that is about a 50% increase on the current one? If it came to there being a refund to broadcasters its easier to take money out of next years pot to cover it since its more cash. Continuing this season at the expense of next year's fixtures means there will be less money in the game. This doesn't seem like rocket science tbh. And I'd be fucking amazed frankly if any of this has escaped the attention of any club in Scotland. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 18 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: You are right. Will it be 'us' or 'them' though? That question has been well and truly answered. Genuinely thought Rangers couldn’t make themselves any more of a laughing stock than they are, I couldn’t have been any more wrong. The people that need suspended or removed from their role are the cockwombles that are running the show at Rangers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Take away all the froth and bullsh*t and you are left with The Rangers terrified of not receiving Sky TV payments. The The Rangers incoming? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 How would clubs be unaware of those issues. The clubs (or at least those with members on the board) must have scrutinised all these clauses before signing any contract. For one club now to say that clubs were not told of a clause is waffle. They should have read and understood all the small print before agreeing to any TV deal. Not so much the lobbying/bullying stuff. Mainly the stuff about failing to provide member clubs with enough impartial info about alternative solutions and separating the money issue from voting yes. The evasive way they seem to have dealt with Rangers attempt to table an alternative does raise questions of good faith in my mind. And, as the Partick QC would argue - Dundee had already cast their No vote. What flowed from disregarding that seems shaky to me. The simplest solution is for them to rerun it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3vie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Lebowski said: In this omission of information thing, would it be at all relevant to note that there's a requirement for next season to start on time for the new broadcast deal? You know, the one that is about a 50% increase on the current one? If it came to there being a refund to broadcasters its easier to take money out of next years pot to cover it since its more cash. Continuing this season at the expense of next year's fixtures means there will be less money in the game. This doesn't seem like rocket science tbh. And I'd be fucking amazed frankly if any of this has escaped the attention of any club in Scotland. That may well be the case simple point then......why couldnt the SPFL reference that in their correspondence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, St3vie said: This is about far more than clubs being somewhat bullied, there is tons of evidence now in the public domain of the SPFL either conveniently omitting information, deliberately not mentioning important things that could affect how clubs voted, not following proper processes and basically lying about their inability to advance money to clubs before calling the leagues. Its the SPFL who are stirring the pot with all this schite, Rangers are simply asking wtf are you playing at? What you say about the SPFL is true, bullying apart. However, Rangers have still managed to make bigger fuds of themselves than the SPFL. Absolute wee guy behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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