St3vie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 If I remember correctly, with reference to EBTs, it was the non disclosure of information, side letters and such like by the club that led folk to believe that titles should be stripped and all sorts Now it seems people are quite happy for the SPFL to refrain from disclosing as much vital information as they want, with no recompense funny that -11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMCQ67 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 hours ago, JTS98 said: I've broadly defended his work for years. As I mentioned above, I think he's a pretty good journalist in the context of the Scottish football scene. Definitely above average. Please tell me you are having a laugh... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, KMCQ67 said: Please tell me you are having a laugh... How many better ones can you name? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, St3vie said: Right, so in the dossier today, it is in black and white that the SPFL did not include any information about a potential £10m liability to broadcasters if clubs voted to end the leagues, and did not include any information about what it saw as “substantial problems” around league reconstruction, in a paper sent to all clubs with regards to what they were about to vote on....the very thing that these two things were a consequence of Yet at the same time, they basically lied to clubs through saying they had no means to advance money to clubs without ending the league You are ok with this? You are ok with that paper being sent out without the SPFL board approving it? You are ok with the SPFL omitting factual information, while peddling lies at the same time? ....and you call me gullible? Were you as concerned and vociferous about the conduct of the (then) SFL and subsequent SPFL board members in 2012 when they ripped up their own constitution and rules to accommodate and facilitate the newly formed Sevco/The rangers International Ltd after the industrial scale cheating that had been going on for a decade ?? Did you feel then that, from a fairness and transparency perspective, the old rangers should have been given the same treatment and punishment as Gretna, who also went into administration owing numerous creditors ?? The main difference between Gretna and the old, now deceased, rangers was around £160m. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, St3vie said: That may well be the case simple point then......why couldnt the SPFL reference that in their correspondence? Presumably because it was already known, whether the leagues were declared null and void or decided on points scored before the lockdown, the potential for difficulties with the Sky contract would be the same. Unless you're suggesting they should have kept playing through the Covid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, St3vie said: Simple point to be made here The SPFL could make all this go away by simply answering some of these questions that are being put to them. If there is nothing to hide and no bullying, coercion or improper conduct of any kind, simply answer the questions and tell us what happened Instead of doing that, all they are doing is issuing whitewash statements basically saying “nothing to see here, please move on”, and trying to discredit Rangers and anyone who questions them. Poor show If you want an answer to a dry procedural question, normal practice is to ask that question. It is not normal practice to fling about baseless allegations and demands for suspension for a month then ask. Rangers unprofessional approach has undermined any constructive moves in the direction that they claim to want. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just in from work. Has Scottish football been brought to it's knees by the might Klan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3vie Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, hearthammer said: Were you as concerned and vociferous about the conduct of the (then) SFL and subsequent SPFL board members in 2012 when they ripped up their own constitution and rules to accommodate and facilitate the newly formed Sevco/The rangers International Ltd after the industrial scale cheating that had been going on for a decade ?? Did you feel then that, from a fairness and transparency perspective, the old rangers should have been given the same treatment and punishment as Gretna, who also went into administration owing numerous creditors ?? The main difference between Gretna and the old, now deceased, rangers was around £160m. You may not believe this, but I argued that at the time if we were out the SPL, we should have been thrown out the leagues completely and forced to reapply along with the likes of Spartans and other clubs It was the authorities who chose to bend and break their own rules, and keep Rangers in the leagues....because it is what THEY wanted. I was also very vocal about my belief that any money from Rangers televised matches back then should have went to division 3 clubs and not the top tier, but guess where it went to.... Im quite glad you brought this up actually, as what happened in 2012 shows exactly what lengths the football authorities in this country are willing to go to when they are looking to secure an outcome they specifically want....hell they were trying to place us in the first division ffs Seems the same thing is happening here, and it’s only a handful of clubs including Rangers who are kicking up a stooshie about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, St3vie said: Simple point to be made here The SPFL could make all this go away by simply answering some of these questions that are being put to them. If there is nothing to hide and no bullying, coercion or improper conduct of any kind, simply answer the questions and tell us what happened Instead of doing that, all they are doing is issuing whitewash statements basically saying “nothing to see here, please move on”, and trying to discredit Rangers and anyone who questions them. Poor show Your c**t club has no credit, so it can't be discredited. 6 hours ago, Speroni*1 said: Slurp slurp from wee Spiers there. What an absolute lickspittle of a man. 6 hours ago, Wilbur said: In most civilised societies the onus is on the accuser to prove the accused's guilt. Innocent until proven guilty. It's up to Rangers to show us the evidence they have that is actual proof of wrongdoing. I'm amazed that so many Rangers fans are still being gulled and manipulated by their own board. Really? They're absolutely desperate to believe in some mad conspiracy. They'll instantly and unquestioningly believe almsot anything that their club says. I was going to say that their fanbase is packed full of slobbering, bigot mutants, but that would be a grievous insult to slobbering, bigot mutants. 6 hours ago, St3vie said: Right, so in the dossier today, it is in black and white that the SPFL did not include any information about a potential £10m liability to broadcasters if clubs voted to end the leagues, and did not include any information about what it saw as “substantial problems” around league reconstruction, in a paper sent to all clubs with regards to what they were about to vote on....the very thing that these two things were a consequence of Yet at the same time, they basically lied to clubs through saying they had no means to advance money to clubs without ending the league You are ok with this? You are ok with that paper being sent out without the SPFL board approving it? You are ok with the SPFL omitting factual information, while peddling lies at the same time? ....and you call me gullible? Just because Sevco said something doesn't mean it is true. Sevco have a poor track record when it comes to fact and truth. Edited May 7, 2020 by DA Baracus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Romeo said: Just in from work. Has Scottish football been brought to it's knees by the might Klan? Yes. Celtic Park has been razed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, St3vie said: If I remember correctly, with reference to EBTs, it was the non disclosure of information, side letters and such like by the club that led folk to believe that titles should be stripped and all sorts Now it seems people are quite happy for the SPFL to refrain from disclosing as much vital information as they want, with no recompense funny that Who's happy with the SPFL? They've made a c**t of it. Only to be upstaged by a noisier shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, St3vie said: If I remember correctly, with reference to EBTs, it was the non disclosure of information, side letters and such like by the club that led folk to believe that titles should be stripped and all sorts Now it seems people are quite happy for the SPFL to refrain from disclosing as much vital information as they want, with no recompense funny that WOW! Comparing over 10 years of cheating to withholding sensitive information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Romeo said: Just in from work. Has Scottish football been brought to it's knees by the might Klan? Publicly celtic have been rather quiet so far. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 Well, better buy my Dunfermline season ticket i suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, KMCQ67 said: Look its a wee h** sticking up for his friends! its not just someone from the SPFL... Numerous people have been out on twitter to state that the document is a pile of BS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, St3vie said: If I remember correctly, with reference to EBTs Here we fucking go, get the corpse back out... A live Rangers fan and EBT chat, proper old school P&B 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 Has anyone actually read this, is there any evidence of bullying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bohemian said: Few days to get the party line from FF more like Vicky... you digest something on your own.. please Romeo will have it before anybody 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, 8MileBU said: Romeo will have it before anybody In fairness if I wanted to know anything about rangers I'd probably be better off asking a Celtic fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the west curve Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, St3vie said: If I remember correctly, with reference to EBTs, it was the non disclosure of information, side letters and such like by the club that led folk to believe that titles should be stripped and all sorts Now it seems people are quite happy for the SPFL to refrain from disclosing as much vital information as they want, with no recompense funny that 21 minutes ago, St3vie said: If I remember correctly, with reference to EBTs, it was the non disclosure of information, side letters and such like by the club that led folk to believe that titles should be stripped and all sorts Now it seems people are quite happy for the SPFL to refrain from disclosing as much vital information as they want, with no recompense funny that What is a side letter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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