NotThePars Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 I think the overriding sentiment has been that none of us know exactly what was said or the context, based on fairly vague reports in the media. Quite different from being personally approached by someone telling you they've been racially abused.In both the made up scenario and the incident which sparked this off, we aren’t witnesses to what happened but in both there are people who were there that deemed it serious enough to report it/ down tools. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 18 hours ago, NotThePars said: Idk why but this reminds me of my two favourite thought experiments on Twitter which were "terrorists have your baby and are going to kill it in an hour. Do you torture one of the terrorists you've caught to save your baby?" and "a (white) Make A Wish kids says his dying wish is to say the N word. Do you let him?" 18 hours ago, Andre Drazen said: I've laughed way harder at that second one than it probably deserves. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: In both the made up scenario and the incident which sparked this off, we aren’t witnesses to what happened but in both there are people who were there that deemed it serious enough to report it/ down tools. OK, if you want to draw parallels. In the made up scenario I'd listen to the victim, advise them on the best ways to make complaints then take a step back whilst an investigation took place. In the real scenario, people on this thread are not making any judgement until it becomes clearer what happened. No one trying to undermine the complaint or tell them how to feel, just not jumping in with two feet with a judgement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 19 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Yes, it was the Police description of the stabbist that caused the controversy What was that out of interest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: What was that out of interest? I think there was a debate on here whether it was right that the radio shout came including a skin colour descriptor. Would need to find the thread I imagine it's still around. Not got time now I might have a look later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I think there was a debate on here whether it was right that the radio shout came including a skin colour descriptor. Would need to find the thread I imagine it's still around. Not got time now I might have a look later What the description passed to the guys going to the call? Quite often the people who take the 999 calls are just typing everything down in terms of the when/what/why type stuff so if someone phoning 999 describes someone as 45, white, with a red tshirt on, male and carrying a sword, then that gets written on the police incident and the control room relays that info down to the people going. If youre getting dozens of calls about someone running about randomly stabbing people you want as accurate and detailed description of the person as possible, especially if there’s a risk to life, potential for firearms deployments etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: What the description passed to the guys going to the call? Quite often the people who take the 999 calls are just typing everything down in terms of the when/what/why type stuff so if someone phoning 999 describes someone as 45, white, with a red tshirt on, male and carrying a sword, then that gets written on the police incident and the control room relays that info down to the people going. If youre getting dozens of calls about someone running about randomly stabbing people you want as accurate and detailed description of the person as possible, especially if there’s a risk to life, potential for firearms deployments etc. I will look later. I cant remember who the protagonists were or anything, just that there was talk about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 @Inanimate Carbon Rod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: @Inanimate Carbon Rod Thanks for reminding us of another classic Detournement moment where he just states something as fact despite it being complete shite and five posts later carries on like nothing happened 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: @Inanimate Carbon Rod Y yeh was there a particular post though? All im getting is a link to the thread? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: yeh was there a particular post though? All im getting is a link to the thread? I think it starts around page 22. Someone posted a tweet about how race may have proved a factor in response, then there was some discussion about what information gets asked by call handlers and related to police 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Just now, Bairnardo said: I think it starts around page 22. Someone posted a tweet about how race may have proved a factor in response, then there was some discussion about what information gets asked by call handlers and related to police Ah, yeh that person who apparently knows that no other knife incident has been responded to with lethal force before in Scotland or something, yet fails to provide any evidence to support this claim. I can recall from my own experience dozens of calls involving white people with knives where armed officers have been deployed. She doesnt have as great a grasp on this incident as she thinks either, the initial response (the police officer who was injured) wasnt armed with a gun (they did have a taser which is frequently what gets sent to a knife call), guns were only sent in after the serious injury to the police officer. anyway as for what the call handlers ask in terms of description or whatever is provided, if im being sent into a densely populated area with multiple casualties and a person armed with a weapon which could be easily hidden, then i’d want as much of a detailed description as possible. The ethnicity of the people involved doesnt influence what the police response would be, as soon as there is confirmation of a potential mass casualty incident there are protocols which kick in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 https://fb.watch/2n83qeO5Tg/ Christian Benteke is cancelled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) On 11/12/2020 at 21:00, NotThePars said: Thanks for reminding us of another classic Detournement moment where he just states something as fact despite it being complete shite and five posts later carries on like nothing happened What post? Edited December 14, 2020 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 This? On 27/06/2020 at 18:50, Detournement said: That's a bot account. 4500 followers. Following 2500. 10 retweets for original tweet. On 27/06/2020 at 18:52, SweeperDee said: I mean, it's not, considering I know the person second hand. On 27/06/2020 at 18:57, NotThePars said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: This? I suspect we're just about to see another example unfold right before our very eyes. Edited December 14, 2020 by The Moonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I love it, Maggle! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: This? I still don't see how someone saying they know someone "second hand" means that it's a genuine account. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I love it, Maggle! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMDP Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Detournement said: I still don't see how someone saying they know someone "second hand" means that it's a genuine account. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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