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On 03/09/2024 at 19:20, 54_and_counting said:

Hero (or villain) makes a getaway on a bike/in a car in a large city with multiple directions, villain (or hero) gets on another bike/in a car and chases after them, a good ten to fifteen seconds later

Next scene theres literally not even a second between them (john wick 3 im looking at you here) 

City escapes are the worst, at every junction theres 3 different routes to take to escape, after 3 junctions theres no way the chasers would have a f**king clue where you went 

The geometry of going down an alleyway to cut someone's escape off relies on the chaser knowing that the chasee is going to do a full 180 around the block more slowly on proper roads than they can do over dustbins and through ladders. 

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On 15/08/2024 at 15:36, scottsdad said:

Hacking into someone's computer by guessing the correct combination of kids names and birthdays

Change your identity, grow a beard and moustache, change your name and appearance but the simple fact is - you won't change your birthday. 

How to get them every single time.

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33 minutes ago, GordonD said:

Police are approaching a suspect, who is oblivious to their presence until they shout at him, giving him the chance to leg it.

Christ, I just watched a couple of films where that happened. Suspect walks round the corner a hundred yards away, polis spots him and angrily yells, "OI!" Suspect legs it and somehow gets chased down by plod.

I don't think I've ever seen a film where this happens, the suspect disappears immediately, and the cops are left looking embarrassed thinking, "maybe shouldn't have done that, duh".

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(i know why but still sometimes its ridiculous how bad it is) 

Massive battle/fight etc, henchmen for the villain are taken down with a simple throw, trip, one punch etc

But main characters can get smacked about with all sorts and still get up for more

Watched the episode of DS9 "way of the warrior" the other day, the klingons who boarded the station were beaten by simple punches, leg sweeps and uppercuts, warrior race my arse 

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14 hours ago, 54_and_counting said:

Watched the episode of DS9 "way of the warrior" the other day, the klingons who boarded the station were beaten by simple punches, leg sweeps and uppercuts, warrior race my arse 

It was a bit nonsense. Convoluted to get Worf into the show, these big terrifying warriors utterly wiped out by tailors, scientists and the like. If I remember right there's a bit where Worf stabs someone in front of him, then stabs someone behind him right away without looking at him. 

Must rewatch it again soon. 

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1 hour ago, scottsdad said:

It was a bit nonsense. Convoluted to get Worf into the show, these big terrifying warriors utterly wiped out by tailors, scientists and the like. If I remember right there's a bit where Worf stabs someone in front of him, then stabs someone behind him right away without looking at him. 

Must rewatch it again soon. 

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Aye was a bit of stupidity, the bit where dukat and garak are defending where the council are, two starfleet people lying dead from blows to the head etc 

Yet all 4 had phasers, how the f**k did the klingons get close enough in a tight hallway to get to them while dukat and garak survive lol

Edit to add, DS9 is still the best of the star trek shows mind you

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Talking of fighting; throwing.

By which I mean a character chucks another around, rather than just battering them or killing them.

Biggest offender are the Terminator films. These things (the Terminators) are supposed to ruthless, efficient killing machines with no human emotion. If one of them got their hands on you, literally, that should be it. They should punch through your chest or rip out your throat or crush your skull or any other number of instant kills, but instead there are scenes where they just start chucking someone around. To what end? They are supposed to kill them anyway and, after a couple of throws, advance to do just that.

I know it's done to create 'drama' and to set up a way for the character to survive and kill the Terminator, but it makes no sense and makes you question the whole ethos of Skynet.

And don't get me started on Terminators shooting!

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11 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Talking of fighting; throwing.

By which I mean a character chucks another around, rather than just battering them or killing them.

Biggest offender are the Terminator films. These things (the Terminators) are supposed to ruthless, efficient killing machines with no human emotion. If one of them got their hands on you, literally, that should be it. They should punch through your chest or rip out your throat or crush your skull or any other number of instant kills, but instead there are scenes where they just start chucking someone around. To what end? They are supposed to kill them anyway and, after a couple of throws, advance to do just that.

I know it's done to create 'drama' and to set up a way for the character to survive and kill the Terminator, but it makes no sense and makes you question the whole ethos of Skynet.

And don't get me started on Terminators shooting!

The worst is when fights start using marquis of queensbury rules almost 

One of the fighters lands a solid blow, knocks the other person down, then stands back and allows the other guy an 8 count to get back up 

Erm naw 

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19 hours ago, 54_and_counting said:

The worst is when fights start using marquis of queensbury rules almost 

One of the fighters lands a solid blow, knocks the other person down, then stands back and allows the other guy an 8 count to get back up 

Erm naw 

Similarly when being chased and attacked by a psycho killer, you get caught but in the struggle manage to get the better of them, by stabbing them or  hitting them with something, wounding them or knocking them silly, then you drop whatever it was you used and run, allowing them to recover, pick the weapon you dropped up, and come after you with it. Naw, just keep on stabbing/hitting them, when they're lying there stunned, till they're either unconscious or dead.

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Also wondering, do the armed police really shout police stop, or shout police to identify themselves, while giving away the element of surprise and letting the armed criminals turn and shoot at them.

Chasing someone and shouting police stop seems futile too, don't think i've seen anyone go ok, and give up. 

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5 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Similarly when being chased and attacked by a psycho killer, you get caught but in the struggle manage to get the better of them, by stabbing them or  hitting them with something, wounding them or knocking them silly, then you drop whatever it was you used and run, allowing them to recover, pick the weapon you dropped up, and come after you with it. Naw, just keep on stabbing/hitting them, when they're lying there stunned, till they're either unconscious or dead.

Said exactly this to my missus while watching the cabin, lassie knocks the bad guy down with a good solid tree branch, guys in his back stunned and she simply drops it, turns and runs away

Erm naw, thats me by time ive out said branch down the c**t is pulverised into fertiliser for the damn soil

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2 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Also wondering, do the armed police really shout police stop, or shout police to identify themselves, while giving away to element of surprise and letting the armed criminals turns and shoot at them.

Chasing someone and shouting police stop seems futile too, don't think i've seen anyone go ok, and give up. 

Love a good long chase where you can clearly see the editing cuts, one minute the police is a bawhair away from catching the crook, next shot is from a different angle and he's about a half minute away, 

Go round a corner and cop magically is back to almost touching distance, next scene bad guy runs across a road (camera looking right up the road) car barely misses the bad guy but then stops and cop person comes along and has to slide over the bonnet (got to be a bonnet slide for coolness) 

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1 hour ago, 54_and_counting said:

Love a good long chase where you can clearly see the editing cuts, one minute the police is a bawhair away from catching the crook, next shot is from a different angle and he's about a half minute away, 

Go round a corner and cop magically is back to almost touching distance, next scene bad guy runs across a road (camera looking right up the road) car barely misses the bad guy but then stops and cop person comes along and has to slide over the bonnet (got to be a bonnet slide for coolness) 

 

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2 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Also wondering, do the armed police really shout police stop, or shout police to identify themselves, while giving away the element of surprise and letting the armed criminals turn and shoot at them.

Chasing someone and shouting police stop seems futile too, don't think i've seen anyone go ok, and give up. 

As far as I'm aware, they have to make their presence known. In one of Stuart MacBride's Logan Macrae novels the copper shouts "Stop, Police!" then comes to the realisation that they never do actually stop  

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22 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said:

As far as I'm aware, they have to make their presence known. In one of Stuart MacBride's Logan Macrae novels the copper shouts "Stop, Police!" then comes to the realisation that they never do actually stop  

Fantastic books

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