Cancel culture

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

3 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

Worth a watch.

Was it not bill Burr (in the thumbnail, regardless of their opinions of themselves I don't consider comedians moral philosophers so won't be watching the video) who infuriated bill Maher by saying overly PC culture is annoying but a pretty minor inconvenience?

[Burnieman]

It's not Reddit we can still see your posts.

I have no idea what Reddit is?

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

3 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

9 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

It's not Reddit we can still see your posts.

I have no idea what Reddit is?

This is my kind of content

[Cheese]

I'm unsure why he doesn't just block him.

He may find it greatly improves his forum experience.

[Burnieman]

Is there any need for personal abuse like this? Let’s try and be nicer human beings going forward my man. 

Erm he implied I was a racist, that's not nice and I don't recall your concern then.

There's an easy solution. Posters shouldn't go after fellow posters with red dot campaigns (cancel culture?), its weird behaviour and Mallo has a long rap sheet. It's time he grew up.

[Burnieman]

I'm unsure why he doesn't just block him.
He may find it greatly improves his forum experience.

How do you block someone from seeing and dotting your posts on here?

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

4 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Posters shouldn't go after fellow posters with red dot campaigns (cancel culture?)

This is also my kind of content

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

17 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

I'm unsure why he doesn't just block him.
He may find it greatly improves his forum experience.

How do you block someone from seeing and dotting your posts on here?

Don't think you can tbh.

On this forum there are two options, you either wage a red dot war of attrition, or vanquish your nemesis in the marketplace of ideas.

[Burnieman]

You red dotted a post where he criticised apartheid, the dotting system is there to be used to show agreement or disagreement with a post, your red dot appeared to be a show of support for apartheid. My only concern at that time was why you’d think a post opposing apartheid was worth a red dot. 
 
Unless you’re on a red dot campaign? 

It's a very long and uninteresting story, but the essence is Mallo has an ongoing red dot campaign, admins not interested, so I dot him back randomly whenever he does it to me. Fire with fire and all that because nothing else works, maybe I shouldn't and rise above his abuse of the system.

The content of the post is immaterial, he knows that all too well. I have posted in the past about innocuous stuff, fund raising, historical items, stats etc and he has red dotted it. If he didn't act like a weirdo towards people then this wouldn't happen in return.

There's a supporter from Whitehill Welfare who he used to red dot all the time for no apparent reason, he stopped posting regularly because of it. There's another guy who has asked me why he does it to him, I had to tell him that is just the way he is.

So that's it. Perhaps it fits into the cancel culture debate in some way. Anyway I've already spent too much time on this weirdo as it is.

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

RED DOT CAMPAIGN!

[Burnieman]

Don't think you can tbh.
On this forum there are two options, you either wage a red dot war of attrition, or vanquish your nemesis in the marketplace of ideas.

Perhaps the dot system should be binned and we can all just debate instead. It's wide open to abuse.

[Burnieman]

Can we stop calling other posters weirdo’s please? You don’t know these people and it’s irresponsible to personally abuse them like that. 
 
Also you could have just saved yourself the time posting that and just admitted you are on a red dot campaign. 

Ah, well clearly I wasted my time explaining in good faith. What a place.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Middle aged men getting a stauner over green and red dots are weird.

[Guest JTS98]

6 hours ago, Falcor Roar said:

Neoliberalism has led directly to a rise in fascist sympathy all across the west. I genuinely believe that it's the likely successor to the plutocracy that the US has become. It's a notoriously difficult idea to put back in the bottle once it's been legitimized as a reasonable outlook by the mainstream media. 

Fascism is nowhere near back, but ideas in the fascism family have always been there.

We're only a couple of generations on from fascism being a main force in European politics. The idea that human beings had suddenly turned their back on all those ideas for good doesn't tally with the facts on the ground.

People are tribal. People are easily attracted to gathering round a flag. People are easily convinced to blame troubles on outsiders. People admire physical wellbeing and have long seemed to respect tough leaders/

Fascism doesn't have to work hard to get in. People are always ready to accept aspects of it.

Its main road back in to mainstream relevance these days is probably Eastern and Central Europe. In the former Communist Block the fascism argument was never settled. They just went from having active fascist, and liberal, and socialist movements to being colonized and forced into a communist system by outsiders. It shouldn't really be a huge surprise that places like Hungary or Poland, with their experience of the last century (in Poland's case millennium) might be quite open to the idea.

Edited July 12, 2020 by JTS98

[Moomintroll]

6 hours ago, Burnieman said:

and the wee weirdo Mallo is at his red dotting again.  Cancel culture? you bet.........

Marshy loves a good wind up, if you are bothered by coloured squares get used to it. When it really matters he will have your back if you need it, don't take it personally like I once did.

[The Moonster]

9 hours ago, Burnieman said:

It's a very long and uninteresting story, but the essence is Mallo has an ongoing red dot campaign, admins not interested, so I dot him back randomly whenever he does it to me. Fire with fire and all that because nothing else works, maybe I shouldn't and rise above his abuse of the system.

There's a supporter from Whitehill Welfare who he used to red dot all the time for no apparent reason, he stopped posting regularly because of it. There's another guy who has asked me why he does it to him, I had to tell him that is just the way he is.
 

This is honestly mental.

[Honest_Man#1]

5 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

This is honestly mental.

I loved the Rab reference of “he stopped posting because of it”. No, he didn’t. He went utterly mental and started spamming relentlessly to the point he was banned, and has come back with about 100 aliases since that have also been banned.

[VladimirMooc]

On 08/07/2020 at 16:00, JTS98 said:

Falsehood is beaten in the market of ideas all the time. The victory of fascism in successful democracies is non-existent.

The West as it stands in 2020 is not in a position where it has anything to fear from extremist ideology. People like capitalism (for better or worse) and people like thinking of themselves as tolerant.

Some ludicrous far-right speaker like Nick Griffin is best left to expose his own ideas. One of the great tv failings of this century is the pitchfork mob-like treatment of him on Question Time years ago. He should have been given a fair hearing and had hs ideas dismantled by reasoned inquisition. Instead, he got the chance to present himself as a martyr.

The same should go for anyone, really. Whatever the views, the best response is sober and fair questioning. That can only take place in an open forum.

Bit late to this thread but you don’t beat fascists by “reasoned inquisition.” Giving Nick Griffin a platform of that ilk was one of the biggest disgraces in BBC history. You don’t give platforms to fascists; that’s a pretty fundamental tenet of anti-fascism. 

“Sober and fair questioning” might work if you’re taking evidence from a government minister at a Select Committee, it doesn’t work with a Nazi. 

On a separate note, I’d take issue with the notion that capitalism itself (or at least our model of capitalism that results in about a quarter of all children in the UK living in poverty) isn’t an extremist model of organising our economy and society, but that’s probably a debate for another day. 

[VladimirMooc]

On 10/07/2020 at 00:40, anotherchance said:

 

If you hide the right wing views then you drive them underground and just give those who hold the views a grievance narrative based around the MSM silencing then.

Need to win the argument and get people to think about what they’re saying. If you put their views in a box and tell people not to open it, you’re asking for trouble.

 

This is absolute bollocks, sorry. Taking your logic to its natural conclusion, would you allow neo-Nazis platforms in order to ‘win the argument’ with them? 

[8MileBU]

5 hours ago, Perkin Flump said:

Marshy loves a good wind up, if you are bothered by coloured squares get used to it. When it really matters he will have your back if you need it, don't take it personally like I once did.

Looked to me like he set out to deliberately provoke you when you said something you didn’t mean and were having a hard time of it. He then came crawling to you when it finally sunk in that he was aggravating you at a time you were struggling mentally and genuinely weren’t in a good place at the time.