SANTAN Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 If we're talking nonces and tv stations I'd aim your surprise at the BBC and Saville surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 Is the Guardian not basically funded by Auto Trader or was that one that was sold off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, 101 said: Did you see the bit when they were jumping to defend Andrew Neil's pal Jeffery Epstein? down playing his crimes claiming he wasn't a nonse. Of course when you are trafficking children for sex I'm not sure the label you get stuck on you matters all that much but I'm sure everyone would condemn those crimes, well everyone bar GB news of course. No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Is the Guardian not basically funded by Auto Trader or was that one that was sold off? Guardian is owned by Guardian Media Group which is wholly owned by the Scott Trust which subsidises it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 GB News don't give a shit about advertisers anyway, the folk funding them have deep pockets even if they have given them a laughably small budget which is borne out in the absolute tinpot production values and constant technical issues they're having. It's just a vehicle for culture war nonsense and arguing that technically Epstein wasn't a paedophile/leave Prince Andrew alone. Their numbers will almost certainly plummet once the novelty wears off and it'll just be DPB and some more performing seals tuning in to watch Dan Wooton speak while the camera's trained on the door to the bathroom I would tune in if they did a Metal Gear Solid here and allowed you to shift the camera focus to the toilets and hear Johnny Sasaki’s explosive diarrhoea as opposed to Dan Wooton’s verbal equivalent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Wish someone would hurry up and cancel Piers Morgan so we don't need to listen to his constant whining about all and sundry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Stormzy said: If we're talking nonces and tv stations I'd aim your surprise at the BBC and Saville surely? I don't have a TV licence... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: That's a pretty grim story. But take out social media and "spat between writer and their former student" is a story as old as time is it not? Like the part I've taken out here is so funny to me. I'd put the odds heavily in favour of a writer in their 40s when Chimamanda was starting out saying almost exactly the same. It's just these darned kids for a social media age The former pupil publicly denounced her former mentor and posted threats of violence against her. I don’t think that’s just a ‘same old same old’ story of different generations. I don’t think you can take social media out of it either. This behaviour is only possible, really, due to social media. Obviously people, especially authors, have been denounced in the past but the ease of social media democratises this process, perhaps not in a positive way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 39 minutes ago, Michael W said: Wish someone would hurry up and cancel Piers Morgan so we don't need to listen to his constant whining about all and sundry. One of the benefits of age is that you can remember what people were saying and doing in the past, which can be a helpful guide to how seriously to take them on the present. Morgan, for example, was once touted as taking the Mirror back to its left wing campaigning roots. He rehired John Pilger and had the paper oppose the Iraq war, one of the few major papers to do so and the only tabloid (I think). Of course, that all ended with him publishing obviously faked photos on the front page and getting sacked amid sales plummeting. He’s reinvented himself now as some sort of right wing populist, it’s all bullshit. He’s a terrible journalist, an appalling human being and he will literally say anything for attention. Best ignored. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 hours ago, ICTChris said: Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie has published an essay on her website about her experience of being condemned on social media by some of her former students. https://www.chimamanda.com/ Not sure if her website is working properly. If you can't trust someone who's attempted to steal your identity to apply for a US visa, who can you trust? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 44 minutes ago, ICTChris said: The former pupil publicly denounced her former mentor and posted threats of violence against her. I don’t think that’s just a ‘same old same old’ story of different generations. I don’t think you can take social media out of it either. This behaviour is only possible, really, due to social media. Obviously people, especially authors, have been denounced in the past but the ease of social media democratises this process, perhaps not in a positive way. I dunno if I see a difference other than things being posted online tbh. And of course social media is the issue, sorry if unclear but that's what I was referring to 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 On 16/06/2021 at 13:23, ICTChris said: One of the benefits of age is that you can remember what people were saying and doing in the past, which can be a helpful guide to how seriously to take them on the present. Morgan, for example, was once touted as taking the Mirror back to its left wing campaigning roots. He rehired John Pilger and had the paper oppose the Iraq war, one of the few major papers to do so and the only tabloid (I think). Of course, that all ended with him publishing obviously faked photos on the front page and getting sacked amid sales plummeting. He’s reinvented himself now as some sort of right wing populist, it’s all bullshit. He’s a terrible journalist, an appalling human being and he will literally say anything for attention. Best ignored. I can’t. I’m assuming you’re still relatively young. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Jess De Wahls, an artist from East Germany, who I assume will know a thing or two about censorship, is cancelled by the Royal Academy because 8 people complained about her views. Wonder if they called her a 'Fascist'? Yeomi Park, a defector to USA from North Korea, who will know a few things, criticises a US university on teaching people what to think, not how to think and how Jane Ausin is evil! -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 The fundamental thing I dislike about "cancel culture" is that it is predominantly steered by those that dislike the person to begin with. It's much more impactful when say the followers or supporters of someone call them out for something and then they subsequently lose out on clout/revenue and do a retraction rather than when people that never took the person seriously try to call them out for behaviour they find questionable. Let's say for instance someone prominent from the SNP makes a big error and I express my disdain and demand consequences then at the end of the day nobody gives a f**k because I disliked them from the jump if however I called out some Unionist politician I supported then it would certainly have more credibility and impact and people would take it more seriously. With all the usual Twitter cancellations it's already people that don't have any attachment to the person trying to convince people that do they should cancel them, it only really ever means anything when it's someone from the group that calls someone else in the same group out in my opinion. This is a rare occurrence though. A good example of this might be JK Rowling and the trans issues, there is an interest to me in that story even if I disagree with cancelling her it's certainly worth discussing why a large majority of her fans were the ones to try and cancel her rather than people that disliked her from the start. I've read quite a few interesting pieces about the overlap between the LGBQT community and Harry Potter fans and it's obviously quite a complex issue but it's worth mentioning as I said due to the fact it's actually her customers that are calling her out. TLDR; you can't be cancelled if you don't have any subscribers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Stormzy said: The fundamental thing I dislike about "cancel culture" is that it is predominantly steered by those that dislike the person to begin with. Let's say for instance someone prominent from the SNP makes a big error and I express my disdain and demand consequences then at the end of the day nobody gives a f**k because I disliked them from the jump if however I called out some Unionist politician I supported then it would certainly have more credibility and impact and people would take it more seriously. You are treading a fine line between cancel culture and a protest vote though I absolutely see where you're coming from. For example, i was very happy, on Thursday to register my vote for the Lib Dems in the Amersham and Chesham by election and saying to the Boris govt. that I don't like him, his govt or its politics. This was a protest vote. Something the daft wee tartan gonks on here are incapable of doing. Cancel culture is more about clamping folk who may have a decent point but, because you're not part of their tribe, have to be held up for ridicule. This is something the daft wee tartan gonks on here excel in. Just one simple example. Douglas Ross had his pic taken with David Beckham at Wembley on Friday. In response to said pic being posted, one prominent P&Ber said: - He wouldn’t have survived in the Scotland end...And the suspect list would be long. This is the extent to which posters on here would go to have people with different views treated. It really is not nice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Wont someone think of Douglas Ross? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 12 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: You are treading a fine line between cancel culture and a protest vote though I absolutely see where you're coming from. For example, i was very happy, on Thursday to register my vote for the Lib Dems in the Amersham and Chesham by election and saying to the Boris govt. that I don't like him, his govt or its politics. This was a protest vote. Something the daft wee tartan gonks on here are incapable of doing. Cancel culture is more about clamping folk who may have a decent point but, because you're not part of their tribe, have to be held up for ridicule. This is something the daft wee tartan gonks on here excel in. Just one simple example. Douglas Ross had his pic taken with David Beckham at Wembley on Friday. In response to said pic being posted, one prominent P&Ber said: - He wouldn’t have survived in the Scotland end...And the suspect list would be long. This is the extent to which posters on here would go to have people with different views treated. It really is not nice. Don't worry, it took me a while to get a handle on what "cancel culture" meant too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Stormzy said: The fundamental thing I dislike about "cancel culture" is that it is predominantly steered by those that dislike the person to begin with. It's much more impactful when say the followers or supporters of someone call them out for something and then they subsequently lose out on clout/revenue and do a retraction rather than when people that never took the person seriously try to call them out for behaviour they find questionable. Let's say for instance someone prominent from the SNP makes a big error and I express my disdain and demand consequences then at the end of the day nobody gives a f**k because I disliked them from the jump if however I called out some Unionist politician I supported then it would certainly have more credibility and impact and people would take it more seriously. With all the usual Twitter cancellations it's already people that don't have any attachment to the person trying to convince people that do they should cancel them, it only really ever means anything when it's someone from the group that calls someone else in the same group out in my opinion. This is a rare occurrence though. A good example of this might be JK Rowling and the trans issues, there is an interest to me in that story even if I disagree with cancelling her it's certainly worth discussing why a large majority of her fans were the ones to try and cancel her rather than people that disliked her from the start. I've read quite a few interesting pieces about the overlap between the LGBQT community and Harry Potter fans and it's obviously quite a complex issue but it's worth mentioning as I said due to the fact it's actually her customers that are calling her out. TLDR; you can't be cancelled if you don't have any subscribers. You're entering the realms of fantasy with that sort of statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 16 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Just one simple example. Douglas Ross had his pic taken with David Beckham at Wembley on Friday. In response to said pic being posted, one prominent P&Ber said: - He wouldn’t have survived in the Scotland end...And the suspect list would be long. This is the extent to which posters on here would go to have people with different views treated. It really is not nice. There is simply no example of cancel culture here. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 hours ago, strichener said: There is simply no example of cancel culture here. Would you expect better from a lib dem voter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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