WoSFL Premier Division thread

[jimbaxters]

From what has been said about this situation, replay and red card remains IMO.

[superpollok]

13 hours ago, jimbaxters said:

From what has been said about this situation, replay and red card remains IMO.

 

Game to be replayed has been confirmed.

[To B or not B]

25 minutes ago, superpollok said:

Game to be replayed has been confirmed.

Some of the replies on Cumnock’s Twitter are laughable 

[An Absolute Imposter]

55 minutes ago, superpollok said:

Game to be replayed has been confirmed.

It's just like being at home.

 Nae **** listens tae me.

[Dav nan Gael]

18 hours ago, Kilbowies Finest said:

I'm pretty sure that something similar happened between Whitburn and Dunipace last season - well into injury time when Whitburn keeper was injured and an ambulance called for - Dunipace were 1-0 up

Pretty sure the game was replayed?

 

Yeah it was replayed, replayed game ended up a 1-1 draw.

[PollokGang]

A replay isn’t fair on Cumnock. The result standing wouldn’t have been fair on Pollok. Though everyone will understand Cumnock feeling aggrieved. 
 

 

The referee should have waited longer, but he chose to blow the whistle and abandon. The main thing is everyone is well. The replay isn’t ideal for either team, if both clubs still competing in multiple cups especially. 
 

Pollok two fixtures behind the pack due to Darvel’s inability to maintain a pitch and a medical emergency at Cumnock. It happens and you deal with it. 

 

[BANKIEBILL]

Not all abandonments will necessarily be treated the same. For example team A is 5 nil down to team B with 5 to play. Neds of team A invade pitch and strike Team B goalkeeper. You need some way of punishing Team A and reflecting game position at time of abandonment. I'd twat team A out of cup but guess that governing authority of competition should have some leeway to respond appropriately 

[superpollok]

6 hours ago, PollokGang said:

A replay isn’t fair on Cumnock. The result standing wouldn’t have been fair on Pollok. Though everyone will understand Cumnock feeling aggrieved. 
 

 

The referee should have waited longer, but he chose to blow the whistle and abandon. The main thing is everyone is well. The replay isn’t ideal for either team, if both clubs still competing in multiple cups especially. 
 

Pollok two fixtures behind the pack due to Darvel’s inability to maintain a pitch and a medical emergency at Cumnock. It happens and you deal with it. 

 

Cumnock will now have a gate for a ‘16th’ home match and against a top 4 for away attendances, so a decent income for them. Maybe they will split the gate or offer discounted prices. Cumnock treasurer the only happy person in Cumnock? 

[Thejackdaw]

48 minutes ago, superpollok said:

Cumnock will now have a gate for a ‘16th’ home match and against a top 4 for away attendances, so a decent income for them. Maybe they will split the gate or offer discounted prices. Cumnock treasurer the only happy person in Cumnock? 

Isn't it procedure for situations  of this nature when they seldom arise that it reverts to an automatic shared gate? 

 

I get cumnocks frustration but some of the posts on their X /twitter page are a bit off for me. 

[GLENAFTON_LOYAL]

On 08/09/2024 at 15:25, mtln said:

The three points certainly seemed more important to them than the health of the gentleman who collapsed.

Credit to the Cumnock and Pollok physios though, as well as the assistant referee who came onto the terracing to help.

As for the result, I’m not sure how it can possibly stand with there being a goal between the sides and likely 10-15 minutes of football still to play.

Exactly. We got awarded the 3 points when the game v cambuslang got abandoned at one nil up when we got a pen that could have made it two and the manager wouldn't get off the park 

[BANKIEBILL]

46 minutes ago, GLENAFTON_LOYAL said:

Exactly. We got awarded the 3 points when the game v cambuslang got abandoned at one nil up when we got a pen that could have made it two and the manager wouldn't get off the park 

That's what I was meaning by my post above. If a team or fans deliberately causes an abandonment then it should be treated differently than if it was no-ones fault

[iveajimmyboneon]

19 hours ago, leaguereformer said:

I personally can't see how the result could have stood with time left. As unfair as at may seem to Cumnock how many games are won in added time etc...

 

Card issue would be interesting.

All disciplinary issues in abandoned games still count.

[Arthurlie1981]

10 hours ago, Thejackdaw said:

Isn't it procedure for situations  of this nature when they seldom arise that it reverts to an automatic shared gate? 

 

I get cumnocks frustration but some of the posts on their X /twitter page are a bit off for me. 

No, it is at the home clubs discretion what happens. We had it last season with Hurlford with our committee deciding it would be half price entry. 

[glensmad]

3 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

No, it is at the home clubs discretion what happens. We had it last season with Hurlford with our committee deciding it would be half price entry. 

WoSFL League Championship rule no. 84 - "Where the Management Committee determine that an abandoned league fixture should be replayed, the gate receipts from the replayed fixture shall be divided equally between both clubs after the deduction of the match officials expenses."

Edited September 12 by glensmad

[To B or not B]

34 minutes ago, leaguereformer said:

As often critical of the WoS committee as I am, I think ultimately they were put in a lose-lose situation. Declare the result and have Pollok up in arms, replay the game and have Cumnock up in arms. 

 

Perhaps better guidance to the referees over what action to take in similar situation where something isn't directly effecting the game being played. 

 

While the main thing is the fan is ok, should the game have been stopped, I understand it if it was an on field or coach issue i.e. player getting serious injury then to me that is different. 

 

 

What was stopping the ref once it became apparent that the fan was ok restarting the game. 

 

I still think Maxi had an influence on the decision his team was down to team men and down a goal. He is a manager no doubt under pressure. That said it would be interested to hear what the Cumnock manager had said to the referee at the time, did he approve this etc...perhaps assuming Cumnock would have been awarded the tie. 

I assume the referee is not medically trained, therefore he was not to know the severity or otherwise of the incident, so he has probably taken the safe route to allow the victim to receive the treatment he needed, without any hinderance.

[Lokloyal]

1 hour ago, To B or not B said:

I assume the referee is not medically trained, therefore he was not to know the severity or otherwise of the incident, so he has probably taken the safe route to allow the victim to receive the treatment he needed, without any hinderance.

Spot on-from what I saw the fan involved seemed to come round but then passed out a second time so there is no way the referee could have assumed all was ok and have proceeded regardless 

[Liveforfootball]

On 10/09/2024 at 19:28, paul-r-cfc said:

83 minutes, not 93. Consider a water break, subs, time around the red card and general stoppage and you are looking at over ten minutes still to play.

Dunno anywhere that you can get a medical professional to attend an emergency within ten minutes.

The physios responsible for ensuring adequate supervision for players are out of commission during said medical emergency so therefore no cover is available for players. That's before mentioning the medically trained assistant referee who was also away from the park.

You mention common sense, but in my eyes, common sense is that you prioritise the elderly gentleman who has collapsed, with football secondary to his wellbeing.

The whole post from Paul is sound but the bold part alone make the game unable to continue.
If you also add that its an elderly gentleman who is in serious need of attention I think every perosn in the stand would understand, some not happy but they would understand.

[Thejackdaw]

I know it's all what if's and buts based on what could have happened but say the referee decided to start the game again on the basis that he thinks the guy is in full recovery mode and then the guy had a relapse and lost his life in front of 22 guys kicking a ball about a football field then the ref would be all the heartless arseholes under the sun - football took priority etc etc etc . 

 

Yes in hindsight the fan pulled through but surely his welfare is more important than 3 points for cumnock and their staff members on ' X ' with their comments leave a lot to be desired .

[superpollok]

10 hours ago, leaguereformer said:

As often critical of the WoS committee as I am, I think ultimately they were put in a lose-lose situation. Declare the result and have Pollok up in arms, replay the game and have Cumnock up in arms. 

 

Perhaps better guidance to the referees over what action to take in similar situation where something isn't directly effecting the game being played. 

 

While the main thing is the fan is ok, should the game have been stopped, I understand it if it was an on field or coach issue i.e. player getting serious injury then to me that is different. 

 

What was stopping the ref once it became apparent that the fan was ok restarting the game. 

 

I still think Maxi had an influence on the decision his team was down to team men and down a goal. He is a manager no doubt under pressure. That said it would be interested to hear what the Cumnock manager had said to the referee at the time, did he approve this etc...perhaps assuming Cumnock would have been awarded the tie. 

I assume you were not at the game.

 

Firstly, a man collapsed on the side of the park, that for supporters around them was distressing due to their concern for the gentleman’s welfare.

What happened was then a frantic attempt to draw attention to the players and officials to get medical attention. 
Rightly the game was stopped.

The man seemed to recover, to then take ill again, the attempt to get help happened again.

As posted already, the linesman then offered medical support.

I am sure the officials had headsets on, so able to communicate what the situation was. 
 

Would love to know how you think Maxi influenced the decision ?

As for swift, well his statement on twitter sums up his reaction walking off.

Partially walking to the barrier to then throw a strop as the gentleman had came round and the game was called off. Zero care for the individual. I would suggest from that reaction and his twitter posts it’s not Maxi the one who is under pressure. 

[Thejackdaw]

1 hour ago, superpollok said:

I assume you were not at the game.

 

Firstly, a man collapsed on the side of the park, that for supporters around them was distressing due to their concern for the gentleman’s welfare.

What happened was then a frantic attempt to draw attention to the players and officials to get medical attention. 
Rightly the game was stopped.

The man seemed to recover, to then take ill again, the attempt to get help happened again.

As posted already, the linesman then offered medical support.

I am sure the officials had headsets on, so able to communicate what the situation was. 
 

Would love to know how you think Maxi influenced the decision ?

As for swift, well his statement on twitter sums up his reaction walking off.

Partially walking to the barrier to then throw a strop as the gentleman had came round and the game was called off. Zero care for the individual. I would suggest from that reaction and his twitter posts it’s not Maxi the one who is under pressure. 

I would be almost 100 percent certain that tucker of Talbot would never ever behave like that when a guy is unwell on the terraces and that's the difference between the very best in the business and what you witnessed.