Conspiracy Theories

[DiegoDiego]

I don’t know, I just wanted to have pyramid chat.

Junior forum for this pish.

[Fullerene]

4 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Why would aliens build the pyramids then just f**k off, leaving zero trace behind and leaving zero verbal history behind?

Maybe aliens were really massive creatures.  They came to Earth for a family picnic and left their child to play in the sand.

Later when it was time to leave they said "Very good Junior but it is time to go."

Just a thought.

[coprolite]

11 minutes ago, throbber said:

It’s good that you can eyeball these lines when you have the technology to do so in 2020, how did they manage to plonk it right in the middle of the earths land mass back in 2500 bc.

It’s built in accordance with the worlds northern hemisphere to a scale of 1/43200. The perimeter of the corner sockets equals 1/43200 of the earths equatorial circumference and the height including the base is 1/42300 th that of the earths polar radius. 

It’s not “right in the middle of the Earth’s land mass” though. Unless that means something different to what you already described it as.

More spurious shape related fun here:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa-opinion-guest-authors/mathematical-encoding-great-pyramid-002323

That site’s great. It’s got the Nephilim and all sort.

[NotThePars]

I remember a tweet from years ago (I think about Ancient Aliens) that went along the lines of: "Man, white people are so determined to give zero credit to black people for anything that they'll just say that alien built the pyramids"

[coprolite]

There's a load of assertions that people make about the pyramids that are just wrong but it's a massive arseache to check. I think it was von Danniken who had the theory that the three pyramids at Giza exactly matched the layout of the stars of orions belt and that a shaft pointed straight at sirius. Therefore Aliens. 

Except they don't. The relative distances don't match and the angle of the crooked line is wrong. The shaft does point somewhere near sirius but didn't when it was built. There are three things almost in a line though, fair play for getting that bit right. 

Even if it was all true it wouldn't have been even evidence of alien involvement never mind proof. 

Still he's sold a lot of books and is gainfully employed by the telly and conferences etc. and it's all relatively harmless and a bit of a laugh. 

[NotThePars]

3 minutes ago, throbber said:

When I said about the aliens I was joking to an extent because the entire thing is such a headfuck when you consider how long ago they were built. A lost civilisation is perhaps a more logical suggestion but to just say that people were much cleverer back then and used their brains more still doesn’t quite explain it.

Maybe every major civilisation just has a different vision of the monuments they want to build of their own decadence. So the Egyptians decide to build big f**k off impressive tombs and we make Marvel movies.

[coprolite]

11 minutes ago, throbber said:

When I said about the aliens I was joking to an extent because the entire thing is such a headfuck when you consider how long ago they were built. A lost civilisation is perhaps a more logical suggestion but to just say that people were much cleverer back then and used their brains more still doesn’t quite explain it.

It's a big pile of stones. It's an engineering challenge to move them but they had money and people and little else to do with them. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

7 minutes ago, coprolite said:

It's a big pile of stones. It's an engineering challenge to move them but they had money and people and little else to do with them. 

Exactly, a healthy contempt for the mortality of hundreds of thousands of slaves helped them build the impossible.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Exactly, a healthy contempt for the mortality of hundreds of thousands of slaves helped them build the impossible.

Not slaves apparently, just people with not much to do outside the farming season and getting as much beer and food as they wanted.

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, throbber said:

There were no slaves in those days.

What about Moses and his lot?

[Sergeant Wilson]

Just now, welshbairn said:

Not slaves apparently, just people with not much to do outside the farming season and getting as much beer and food as they wanted.

Maybe throbber is descended from a pyramid navvy and has genetic memory of his work.

[DiegoDiego]

It’s built in accordance with the worlds northern hemisphere to a scale of 1/43200. The perimeter of the corner sockets equals 1/43200 of the earths equatorial circumference and the height including the base is 1/42300 th that of the earths polar radius. 

It's also 21237/1 of a golf ball's circumference, it doesn't mean Jean van de Velde's a space alien.

Folk who spout this sort of pish aren't interested in the truth, they just like the idea of aliens and refuse to apply Occam's razor.

[The Moonster]

37 minutes ago, throbber said:

There weren’t even very many people in the world.

[bennett]

46 minutes ago, throbber said:

They weren’t built by slaves either that’s a myth. There were no slaves in those days. There weren’t even very many people in the world.

They used a bunch of geordie brickies to build them.

 

[welshbairn]

27 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

It's also 21237/1 of a golf ball's circumference, it doesn't mean Jean van de Velde's a space alien.

Folk who spout this sort of pish aren't interested in the truth, they just like the idea of aliens and refuse to apply Occam's razor.

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[Boo Khaki]

3 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

For what possible reason would they do this? 

I'm not suggesting cover-ups involving aliens, but it's been obvious for years that 'Egyptology' is a self-serving racket. 

There are huge holes in Egyptologists' timeline regarding Egyptian civilisation and rulers, but they just shuffle everything together then stick their fingers in their ears when people question the obvious incongruities. Zahi Hawass spent decades resolutely refusing scientific scrutiny or investigation of Egyptian archaeological sites, all while they were falling into further and further ruin because the Egyptian state lacked the means to care for or investigate them properly themselves. Bizarre behaviour for someone who was supposed to be the guardian and protector of these places and presents as an aficionado of all things Egyptian. There's a long-standing suspicion that the entirety of Egyptian 'Egyptology' is geared towards prevention of advancement of scientific understanding of Egypt, purely because it'll undermine and expose the wee racket that they have going on.

My partner works with genuine archaeologists, geologists, and anthropologists, and says that every single one of them regards 'Egyptology' as quack and not something that bears up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, Boo Khaki said:

I'm not suggesting cover-ups involving aliens, but it's been obvious for years that 'Egyptology' is a self-serving racket. 

There are huge holes in Egyptologists' timeline regarding Egyptian civilisation and rulers, but they just shuffle everything together then stick their fingers in their ears when people question the obvious incongruities. Zahi Hawass spent decades resolutely refusing scientific scrutiny or investigation of Egyptian archaeological sites, all while they were falling into further and further ruin because the Egyptian state lacked the means to care for or investigate them properly themselves. Bizarre behaviour for someone who was supposed to be the guardian and protector of these places and presents as an aficionado of all things Egyptian. There's a long-standing suspicion that the entirety of Egyptian 'Egyptology' is geared towards prevention of advancement of scientific understanding of Egypt, purely because it'll undermine and expose the wee racket that they have going on.

My partner works with genuine archaeologists, geologists, and anthropologists, and says that every single one of them regards 'Egyptology' as quack and not something that bears up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

Like the dodgy farmer on time team who had grass under his standing stones and buried a sword on top of a flattened fence? 

[renton]

3 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Exactly, a healthy contempt for the mortality of hundreds of thousands of slaves helped them build the impossible.

90% of human progress neatly encapsulated there.

[Boo Khaki]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

Like the dodgy farmer on time team who had grass under his standing stones and buried a sword on top of a flattened fence? 

Well, I think it's more that the established version of events suits the people who have been espousing it, and that they're hell bent on preventing anything that might call into question their integrity or professional credibility.

It doesn't help when mainstream sources continue to buy in to and promulgate the guff either. Without fail the BBC describes the Giza pyramids as 'tombs' in every single article that mentions them, when the evidence shows that was never their intended function, and neither were they ever used as tombs.

Bums on seats though. It suits people in Egypt who have built their reputations on assumption and speculation with precious little scrutiny to hold it to account, and of course, the Egyptian tourism industry.  Finding out that no, random Pharaoh wasn't laid to rest in X pyramid wouldn't put me off going to have a look, but punting romanticised versions of reality is a big part of what tourism is about. This example is just a gripe though. There are far bigger questions to be asked of Egyptology. Timelines that have specific Pharaohs ruling for hundreds of years etc.

[Fullerene]

4 hours ago, welshbairn said:

What about Moses and his lot?

IIRC The pyramids were built only a few weeks after Noah's flood.  Therefore, at most there would have been two slaves.  I presume.