Pyramid Watcher Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: If Elgin City are Club 42 and Bonnyrigg wins promotion it leaves the Lowland League at 15 clubs. The Tier 6 Champion wins promotion and fills the 16th spot, meaning no relegation. Thanks for clarifying. I found this graphic in the LL rules, which may help everyone understand the permutations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 That would be another hammer blow to the reputation of the league. Vale of Leithen currently sitting with 3 wins in 63 over the last 3 seasons. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, craigkillie said: That would be another hammer blow to the reputation of the league. Vale of Leithen currently sitting with 3 wins in 63 over the last 3 seasons. Agree with this, and I am sure Vale would rather drop a level as well, it can’t be enjoyable for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Me Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 It’s not that difficult to work out. The tier 6 champion club goes up therefore team 16 goes down. So any talk of no relegation is nonsense. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, It's Me said: It’s not that difficult to work out. The tier 6 champion club goes up therefore team 16 goes down. So any talk of no relegation is nonsense. Wrong. If Elgin are relegated and Bonnyrigg promoted there is no relegation from the LL. It has been like this ever since the LL got to 16 teams in 2016, though prior to a rule change in 2019 the bottom club would always be relegated but could reapply if there was a vacant spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Me Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Just now, Ginaro said: Wrong. If Elgin are relegated and Bonnyrigg promoted there is no relegation from the LL. It has been like this ever since the LL got to 16 teams in 2016, though prior to a rule change in 2019 the bottom club would always be relegated but could reapply if there was a vacant spot. Thanks for clarifying. So Vale could be saved again then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, It's Me said: It’s not that difficult to work out. The tier 6 champion club goes up therefore team 16 goes down. So any talk of no relegation is nonsense. 3 hours ago, Ginaro said: Wrong. If Elgin are relegated and Bonnyrigg promoted there is no relegation from the LL. It has been like this ever since the LL got to 16 teams in 2016, though prior to a rule change in 2019 the bottom club would always be relegated but could reapply if there was a vacant spot. 3 hours ago, It's Me said: Thanks for clarifying. So Vale could be saved again then. It's due to how the LL deals with a net loss of 1 club - by reprieving a club from relegation (which starting out 1 ends up 0). In the EOSL it's dealt with by adding an extra promotion from below. EDIT: so Elgin down + Bonnyrigg up + Linlithgow up = LL reprieve Vale, whereas in EOS Premier nobody reprieved and extra team comes up from First Division. Edited February 20, 2022 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Farcical that scenarios exist where there is no automatic relegation from a 16-team league or even a playoff. It should be one down automatically no matter what happens in other leagues. If this leaves them one short then just promote the EoS and WoS champions together. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, stanley said: Farcical that scenarios exist where there is no automatic relegation from a 16-team league or even a playoff. It should be one down automatically no matter what happens in other leagues. If this leaves them one short then just promote the EoS and WoS champions together. What about the SoS champions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 teams can playoff for 2 spots if needed. Not much need to mention the SoS currently. They're only there for historical reasons and have no chance up against the likes of Auchinleck, Pollok, Linlithgow etc. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 16 hours ago, stanley said: 3 teams can playoff for 2 spots if needed. Not much need to mention the SoS currently. They're only there for historical reasons and have no chance up against the likes of Auchinleck, Pollok, Linlithgow etc. And yet it's historical reasons you made your statement from 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I, for one, will piss myself laughing if Vale of Leithen manage to stay up again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: I, for one, will piss myself laughing if Vale of Leithen manage to stay up again. VoL get saved for a 3rd time. The Highland League expands to 19. Both things might inspire some changes to how promotion/relegation works between Tier 5 & Tier 6 in those regions. Doubt it though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Also applies to SPFL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: Also applies to SPFL. Eh, aye. Who do you think the second Spiderman is in that meme exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerLeagueFC Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 up 3 down automatically each year. 4th from bottom plays play off to stay up between winner of a playoff between EoS/Sos/WoS 2nd place teams. Inject that right into me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 It will never happen for a number of reasons but over the next couple of years I'd look to implement: Merge the SoS into the WoS so we have one regional feeder at tier 6 in the West of the country. Champions of EoS and WoS go up automatically. Second in EoS plays second in WoS in a one legged playoff final at a neutral venue. The winner is promoted to the LL. Three relegated from LL depending on net loss/gain of teams. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: It will never happen for a number of reasons but over the next couple of years I'd look to implement: Merge the SoS into the WoS so we have one regional feeder at tier 6 in the West of the country. If the East can go as far South as Hawick and Berwick then no reason the West can't go as far South as Gretna but how would you merge the SoSFL and WoSFL ? The SoSFL I think would have a big say on the matter. Yer right though it aint happening anytime soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Eh, aye. Who do you think the second Spiderman is in that meme exactly? Peter Parker?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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