craigkillie Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said: Why don’t they just reduce the prize money at the top of the SPFL and redistribute to teams at the bottom end of the professional structure The four or five clubs who want B teams cannot just single-handedly give away prize money that isn't necessarily theirs in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Just because you write down some nonsense like this doesn’t make it true. But Meghan-like you speak “your truth” to your heart’s content. Maybe you can talk to Oprah 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, craigkillie said: That doesn't answer the question at all. Even if that new Conference league was introduced, it would not permit B teams to be promoted into the SPFL. That would still require a vote from the SPFL clubs. Sorry should have added, if they are proudly declaring that they can/will circumvent their own voting rules to shoehorn this league in then it won't be long before "all champions" of this new tier 5 are promoted. Whether or not anyone wants it. We all know this will be the next step of the process 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 It may be the intention, but again there is no mechanism through which a B team can be admitted to the SPFL without the SPFL clubs voting on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Spyro said: ...if they are proudly declaring that they can/will circumvent their own voting rules to shoehorn this league in... They might be able to avoid having the SPFL clubs vote on it and do it through the league's board if there is no modification to the "prize money" distribution shares but the Club 42 playoff rules are a legally binding agreement between the SPFL, SFA, HL and LL so there is no way to insert a new league entity into those proceedings without all four of those bodies signing off on the changes. It's like what happened with the SJFA entering the pyramid intact. The SFA board wanted it to happen and were firing off directives about it, but all of the SFA, LL, EoS and SoS had to sign off on the playoff rule changes required to make it possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Funny how almost no one on here says their club voted to endorse B teams in the LL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, PossilYM said: Funny how almost no one on here says their club voted to endorse B teams in the LL Considering the clubs that have often voted for it, can you think of many fans that visit the forum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Man City 7 last night: Ederson, Dias, Silva – Benfica B (POR) Rodri – Villareal B (SPA) Akanji – Winterhur & Basel B (SWI) Gundogan – Bochum and Dortmund (GER) Haaland – Bryne, Molde (NOR) 7 world-class players, all with international caps, played B-team football in 5 different countries as part of their development. -13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, Che Dail said: Man City 7 last night: Ederson, Dias, Silva – Benfica B (POR) Rodri – Villareal B (SPA) Akanji – Winterhur & Basel B (SWI) Gundogan – Bochum and Dortmund (GER) Haaland – Bryne, Molde (NOR) 7 world-class players, all with international caps, played B-team football in 5 different countries as part of their development. Calling Card of a Moron thread for this pish. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, Che Dail said: Man City 7 last night: Ederson, Dias, Silva – Benfica B (POR) Rodri – Villareal B (SPA) Akanji – Winterhur & Basel B (SWI) Gundogan – Bochum and Dortmund (GER) Haaland – Bryne, Molde (NOR) 7 world-class players, all with international caps, played B-team football in 5 different countries as part of their development. Famously massive in Ederson's development having been 1st choice keeper at his club in Brazil. Then becoming 1st choice at Rio Ave before being signed by Benfica just as he was about to turn 22. It was those FOUR games that made him. 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Erling Haaland might have turned into the best goalscorer in the world even if he hadn't played some games in the Norwegian lower leagues. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: Considering the clubs that have often voted for it, can you think of many fans that visit the forum? *Considering the clubs that have often voted for it, can you think of any fans? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 49 minutes ago, Che Dail said: Man City 7 last night: Ederson, Dias, Silva – Benfica B (POR) Rodri – Villareal B (SPA) Akanji – Winterhur & Basel B (SWI) Gundogan – Bochum and Dortmund (GER) Haaland – Bryne, Molde (NOR) 7 world-class players, all with international caps, played B-team football in 5 different countries as part of their development. Number of B team games played for each: Ederson - 4 Rodri - 39 Akanji - 21 Gündoğan - 3 Haaland - 18 I suspect that the number of B team games played were not a significant influence on them going on to be top players but better coaching, natural ability and, possibly most importantly, their clubs actually played them instead of leaving them wasting away in youth teams. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Now repeat the exercise for good players who came up through the youth levels / reserve (or equivalent) team. Oh look. It will massively outweigh B team graduates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 League clubs should negotiate a long-term stake in the success of professional B-Teams. Benfica generated $1.5bn in transfer sale fees since 2000. That’s $65m per annum. Other clubs in Portugal have played a part in their development by providing professional competition – they are invested. It is possible that Rangers and Celtic could generate similar revenues over a period of time, and some of this should be shared with those who have contributed - if they can capitalize on this opportunity now. A system should be created whereby everyone is incentivized to make the project a success, and they all are properly and fairly rewarded over time. The Old Firm needs other clubs for their business model to work, therefore the other clubs deserve a share of the profit. For example, 15% of a $130m pot (or £100m) trickling back to league clubs every year = £15m. Currently, Club Licensing and Club Academy Scotland payments generate what, £1.5m? Peanuts by comparison. There was a similar model for community clubs to be remunerated for cross-border transfers (eg Craig Gordon to Sunderland) – I believe this still exists through the Player Passport scheme. Carpe diem! -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Now repeat the exercise for good players who came up through the youth levels / reserve (or equivalent) team. Oh look. It will massively outweigh B team graduates. Yes, all development systems can co-exist, a 'blended' approach, as they do successfully across the continent. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 They successfully hoard more and more players and opportunities to a very small minority of clubs, to the detriment of the other clubs and leagues as a whole, I'll concede that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, craigkillie said: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Erling Haaland might have turned into the best goalscorer in the world even if he hadn't played some games in the Norwegian lower leagues. We'll never know the answer to that guess. Same goes for Messi, Mbappe, deJong, Gakpo, Benzema, Lewandowski etc etc. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Yes, you're right, we won't. So maybe in fact presenting a list of such players as evidence of the success of B teams is not in fact sensible? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Ranaldo Bairn said: They successfully hoard more and more players and opportunities to a very small minority of clubs, to the detriment of the other clubs and leagues as a whole, I'll concede that. And it doesn't have to be like that if clubs see it as an opportunity instead of a threat. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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