Florentine_Pogen Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 28/08/2023 at 14:46, doulikefish said: It's just a "look a squirrel" to change the news cycle from mad nads resignation The Guardian ran an editorial today re. Dosser Dorries and the greater woes facing Sunak once parliament resumes. You can read below :- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/29/the-guardian-view-on-nadine-dorriess-resignation-raggle-taggle-tories#comment-164158234 However, the comments section elicited the following response, which is about as concise a definition of the source of the country's woes as I've seen....(quoted in entirety) "What the editorial describes as the 'fundamentals of British Conservatism' were destroyed over four decades ago by Thatcher. For all the party's repeated (and false) claims to be a 'One Nation' party or that it occupies the so-called 'centre ground' the reality has been an increasingly right-wing and (English) nationalist party, egged on and abetted by a battalion of propagandists in the right-wing press. The internal conflicts over 'Europe' that led to Thatcher's demise got worse and worse and culminated in Cameron's disastrous capitulation to his Eurosceptic ultras in granting a referendum on EU membership. Enter 'Brexit', which did nothing to resolved the UK's deep-seated social and economic problems because the Tory party caused them in the first place. It didn't even solve the Tory party's internal feuding over Europe: the party chewed up and spat out four leaders in six years, and may yet do the same to a fifth. In short, the Tory party is the problem, and that includes the way in which even the opposition accepts the Tory parameters of what is politically and economically possible. All those forthcoming books from various Tories will just be exercises in self-justification that will serve no purpose than the authors' bank balance. It's a zombie party acting on the crudest instincts of self-preservation - and if that means racism, confected culture wars, letting the planet go to hell in a handcart, or even embracing fascism, they'll think it a small price to pay to ensure that they stay in power or burn everything to the ground so no-one else but them can make use of the ashes." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 13 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said: The Guardian ran an editorial today re. Dosser Dorries and the greater woes facing Sunak once parliament resumes. You can read below :- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/29/the-guardian-view-on-nadine-dorriess-resignation-raggle-taggle-tories#comment-164158234 However, the comments section elicited the following response, which is about as concise a definition of the source of the country's woes as I've seen....(quoted in entirety) "What the editorial describes as the 'fundamentals of British Conservatism' were destroyed over four decades ago by Thatcher. For all the party's repeated (and false) claims to be a 'One Nation' party or that it occupies the so-called 'centre ground' the reality has been an increasingly right-wing and (English) nationalist party, egged on and abetted by a battalion of propagandists in the right-wing press. The internal conflicts over 'Europe' that led to Thatcher's demise got worse and worse and culminated in Cameron's disastrous capitulation to his Eurosceptic ultras in granting a referendum on EU membership. Enter 'Brexit', which did nothing to resolved the UK's deep-seated social and economic problems because the Tory party caused them in the first place. It didn't even solve the Tory party's internal feuding over Europe: the party chewed up and spat out four leaders in six years, and may yet do the same to a fifth. In short, the Tory party is the problem, and that includes the way in which even the opposition accepts the Tory parameters of what is politically and economically possible. All those forthcoming books from various Tories will just be exercises in self-justification that will serve no purpose than the authors' bank balance. It's a zombie party acting on the crudest instincts of self-preservation - and if that means racism, confected culture wars, letting the planet go to hell in a handcart, or even embracing fascism, they'll think it a small price to pay to ensure that they stay in power or burn everything to the ground so no-one else but them can make use of the ashes." completely agree this sums up perfectly the UK as it stands and the reason for this. For me this is the most frustrating part which means there is no light at the end of the tunnel and no going back. If you are happy with the country as it is by all means vote Tory or Labour - the latter may at the outset be more honest and transparent in terms of delivery but their overall policies will be largely the same. If are unhappy with how things are and you live in Scotland, there is only one clear option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 RSPB getting fired into these c***s now. https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/status/1696845799383003180 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, HTG said: RSPB getting fired into these c***s now. https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/status/1696845799383003180 It's the Tories, FFS. Duh. This is like highlighting Sauron's terrible tree conservation record*. I'd be interested to know what's going on behind the scenes that the RSPB is having a shitfit about it now, though. * apologies to Tolkien fans if this isn't a fitting metaphor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, BTFD said: It's the Tories, FFS. Duh. This is like highlighting Sauron's terrible tree conservation record*. I'd be interested to know what's going on behind the scenes that the RSPB is having a shitfit about it now, though. * apologies to Tolkien fans if this isn't a fitting metaphor Pretty sure you mean Saruman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Pretty sure you mean Saruman. Right, Saruman's at DEFRA, and Sauron's at the Home Office. There are so many reshuffles it's easy to lose track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 hours ago, HTG said: RSPB getting fired into these c***s now. https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/status/1696845799383003180 Wakes have gone woke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 Wallace resigns as Defence Sec. Shapps getting the gig. Standard appt - absolute arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Shapps? We'll be at war with some c*** by Tuesday and his response will be to nuke Motherwell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Wonder what his alter ego will be for this gig ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, HTG said: Wallace resigns as Defence Sec. Shapps getting the gig. Standard appt - absolute arsehole. Liked his resignation letter. "I'm brilliant and i've done really well. I'll shortly be taking a lucrative directorship. See ya" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 He's the get rich quick scheme guy, isn't he? Don't get much more trustworthy than that. I hope an interviewer catches him out with a tank identification question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 It must be great being in a Tory think tank. You get paid loads to regurgitate any old shite and add the words "Great British" in front of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Shapps? We'll be at war with some c*** by Tuesday and his response will be to nuke Motherwell. No chance that will happen. He can't get anything right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Shapps? We'll be at war with some c*** by Tuesday and his response will be to nuke Motherwell. Finally, a Tory policy we can all get behind… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 hours ago, doulikefish said: Wonder what his alter ego will be for this gig ? Cuntical Ali. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: He's the get rich quick scheme guy, isn't he? Don't get much more trustworthy than that. I hope an interviewer catches him out with a tank identification question. AHH. So you've read his Wikipedia entry too huh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: It must be great being in a Tory think tank. You get paid loads to regurgitate any old shite and add the words "Great British" in front of it. This gets reheated every few years as it always gets a favourable press. But in the end, bringing back National Service is like bringing back Crossroads. If it was really that good, they would never have done away with it in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, scottsdad said: This gets reheated every few years as it always gets a favourable press. But in the end, bringing back National Service is like bringing back Crossroads. If it was really that good, they would never have done away with it in the first place. Sorry but that logic doesn't hold. They did away with Texan bars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, strichener said: Sorry but that logic doesn't hold. They did away with Texan bars. Sure was a mighty chew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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