WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 hours ago, pandarilla said: I'm pretty certain the decision was based on their training. They clearly practiced a lot of penalties and the management team have decided to keep a track and play the percentages. That maked sense - but it leaves them open to huge criticism. They've decided to ignore the pressure element, and that's just not natural. I'd be taking all the information into the mix and coming to some sort of a balanced decision. Bringing lads on just to hit a penalty is a big, big call - and unlucky for him it just didn't work last night (although I've seen it work before). They clearly fucking didn't take any learning points on board, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Chiellini's face as their national anthem was being booed was glorious. He was effectively saying 'boo fucking louder you cunts' 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Looking back at the penalties last night - Bernardeschi has balls of steel with his penalty.A real key moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Blootoon87 said: Did it come home? Si. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Go on the Azzuri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: The amount of folk blaming the kick off time. Unreal. Agreed. The kick off time is never the issue, fan behaviour is. And it seems that only certain fans have an issue with this (and in Scotland this sadly applies too). I travelled through London yesterday and at 1pm there were a few people already more than worse for the wear. Nothing malicious at that point but you could sense where it was going. On the tube I was on (Central Line) they all got off at Holborn,almost certainly headed for Leicester Square via the Picadilly. We shall say no more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Apparently he's a Polymath and is highly intelligent. Also Common Goal initiative where players donate 1% of earnings got a call from him one day saying why have you not contacted me? Take My money. Seems like sum boi! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) As an English chap, Italy were the better team and deserved it. The amount of racist crap that has come out due to Rashford and Saka missing their pens is disgusting. Still, club > country. Thank you. Edited July 12, 2021 by Girth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Just now, Michael W said: Agreed. The kick off time is never the issue, fan behaviour is. And it seems that only certain fans have an issue with this (and in Scotland this sadly applies too). I travelled through London yesterday and at 1pm there were a few people already more than worse for the wear. Nothing malicious at that point but you could sense where it was going. On the tube I was on (Central Line) they all got off at Holborn,almost certainly headed for Leicester Square via the Picadilly. We shall say no more. There is of course a major issue with alcohol and the behaviour while a high percentage are under the influence on this island. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Yep, the 'It's Coming Home' stuff works against them and they don't seem to realise it. On the subject, why did it only start back up at the 2018 WC? Was it after the won their QF? 2018 was the best team they had for over a decade plus during a heatwave and I think it started off as banter and has grown into a mythical challenge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Algebraist Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Getting to a WC semi and now a Euros final are achievements for this England side, even with the favourable draws and home advantage etc. They could win something, its not always the best teams that win tournaments, but they surely can't watch the technical brilliance in that Spain v Italy semi final and think "we're on a par with that". Same with Modric inspired Croatia in 2018. The ability to keep the ball in tight areas and not surrender possession cheaply is hugely important. If England had that they could shut a game down and stop their opponents from getting on the ball and working their way back in. They are a long way from that level,you could even argue our midfield is closer to it than theirs the way Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn controlled the game at Wembley, (though obviously we need a massive improvement at either end of the park). The thing that mystifies me, particularly given the players at their disposal, is that England do not even try to play this way. They are happy to let their opponents have the ball and there is no press to speak of. They have some of the best young attacking talent on the planet (reputedly), many of whom are thriving in clubs playing high press and dominating the ball, yet they come out to grind like mid 2000s Scotland. Spurs also do this which makes me wonder about Kane's influence. Edited July 12, 2021 by The Algebraist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, fuzzydunlop said: This... I live and work in England. The mates I have down here are all sound football fans who just want their team to do well like any football fan would.... and none of the say 20-30 folk I know(including work mates) were overly confident in winning it...they were just enjoying the 'ride'..... But then there is the media and the 'other' deluded fans. On Friday I was in the office having a bit banter in the canteen at lunchtime with a few folk. Someone asked me who i was supporting in the final. When I wasn't committing to saying England..(I made a sh*te joke about getting the pizza and peroni in)... Some wee p***k started having a go at me with some anti-Scottish shite and when I mentioned "England couldnt beat us and that was the main thing" it triggered him and he started ranting about letting us draw with them and utter bullsh*t before going into full on Eng-er-lund coming home pish. Even the other guys in the room look embarrassed. When I had a chance to get a word in after his seething mess, all I said was "and thats why I'm supporting Italy" . But that was a group of about 8 folk, one ars*hole... and although I don't excuse the racist c*nts who make up a large amount of he support..its not everyone. Similar to my experience. Those who follow football were a lot more restrained during the tournament, and especially in the run-up to last night. Those who don't follow the game, but got swept up in the hysteria, were convinced "it was coming home".* Scene : WRK Towers, last night. The big telly's on in the extension. Present are the eponymous owner, his English wife, three of his four English daughtrers, his two English sons-in-law, and three English grandkids. With the exception of one son-in-law (long-suffering NUFC fan) and self (even longer suffering Killie fan), nobody has expressed the slightest interest in the Beautiful Game before this month**. Tonight, the flags, face-paint and bunting make my wee retreat look like the venue for a NF meeting. Cue self and said Toon fan decamping to the living room - 40" beats 65" when it's not accompanied by non-stop bollox repeated from the media. Game much more enjoyable - more for me obviously, although the lad was watching in hope rather than expectation. At least we could converse sensibly about the action, as we knew what we were watching. The upside of this was, of course, that no-one was all that bothered about Italy winning (except yours truly, but I tried to be diplomatic), so my house remains untrashed. *Loathsome fucking phrase, imho. Just one more reason for Baddiel to be flayed and dipped in salt. **Seriously, even previous Tournaments have elicited nothing more than a passing "who's playing?" in passing from Mrs WRK. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Love to watch a player like that who looks like the ball is magnetically attracted to his feet. Loads of times I was convinced he’d lost the ball and it just kept following him. Declan Rice having two or three digs at him and Chiesa still wriggling away with the ball was sublime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: There is of course a major issue with alcohol and the behaviour while a high percentage are under the influence on this island. There is, for sure, a cultural problem with alcohol. But taking that away, their is a loutish element behind it that I really don't understand. Many of us have drank far too much and haven't been chucking chairs out or throwing bottles (yes, fucking bottles) at fellow spectators as "banter". Or indeed rioting to get into venues without tickets. There must be some sort of weird entitlement or something that this all sits behind, but I'm baffled as to what it may or may not be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, The Saintee said: Careful you don't fall into a lake then! There only is one, apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Algebraist said: The thing that mystifies me, particularly given the players at their disposal, is that England do not even try to play this way. They are happy to let their opponents have the ball and there is no press to speak of. They have some of the best young attacking talent on the planet (reputedly), many of whom are thriving in clubs playing high press and dominating the ball, yet they come out to grind like mid 2000s Scotland. Spurs also do this which makes me wonder about Kane:s influence. They're not good enough at the back to play expansive attacking football. Neville said as much last night. Defence wins championships. 1 minute ago, Michael W said: There is, for sure, a cultural problem with alcohol. But taking that away, their is a loutish element behind it that I really don't understand. Many of us have drank far too much and haven't been chucking chairs out or throwing bottles (yes, fucking bottles) at fellow spectators as "banter". Or indeed rioting to get into venues without tickets. There must be some sort of weird entitlement or something that this all sits behind, but I'm baffled as to what it may or may not be. Yeah, very strange behaviour. A lot of football celebs were tweeting asking what the f**k they were playing at as it was such a shambles at Wembley Way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 hours ago, A_Veitch said: I thought in real time had Chiesa been able to stay on Italy would have won it in the very least in 120 minutes. He was starting to over run their defence and thought it was only a matter of time until he got in behind them. Absolutely. The only reason it went that far was Chiesa's injury, which was then compounded by Verrati going off injured at the start of extra time. The two of them were comfortably the best players on the pitch from about the 30 minute mark onwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 There is of course a major issue with alcohol and the behaviour while a high percentage are under the influence on this island. There is, for sure, a cultural problem with alcohol. But taking that away, their is a loutish element behind it that I really don't understand. Many of us have drank far too much and haven't been chucking chairs out or throwing bottles (yes, fucking bottles) at fellow spectators as "banter". Or indeed rioting to get into venues without tickets. There must be some sort of weird entitlement or something that this all sits behind, but I'm baffled as to what it may or may not be. Aye alcohol is of course an issue but sobriety is just a mask for these c***s. All alcohol does is let their true personalities out IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Since the peak days of English hooliganism I've been listening to a narrative from the media that young guys+bevvy must inevitably =trouble. I just don't buy that. I've been on too may drink soaked Tartan Army trips, where drink is the number one theme, and you see guys who are absolutely blootered for the whole duration, but without the slightest sniff of trouble. Over and over again. You need dickheads to be part of that equation too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Dirty Sanchez said: Right up ye to the guy who called me a sweaty sock at Green Park station after the Euro 96 game. Not that you're one to hold a grudge... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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