VAR in Scottish Football

[VincentGuerin]

11 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

They say in the article it's a "soft roll-out".

New technology needs tested in a real-world environment and there will be bugs found, that's normal.

It's not new technology.

[craigkillie]

They've also been testing it in the background all season. If it's not ready, don't use it.

[Bogbrush1903]

11 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

It's not new technology.

It's new technology to Scottish Football.

[Bogbrush1903]

7 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

They've also been testing it in the background all season. If it's not ready, don't use it.

We'll see how ready it is in the forthcoming weeks.

[DA Baracus]

Any word on when exactly they'll start to use it?

Also did they employ folk for a rank salary to operate it as per the advert posted earlier in the thread? Hopefully they had a rethink there.

[VincentGuerin]

18 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

It's new technology to Scottish Football.

That's not a reason for it to go badly. Businesses use new technology all the time, and well-run businesses simply train their staff to use it before they're going to be making an arse of it in the real world.

The company I work for is in the fire safety business. We use new things all the time. We would never accept an argument that 'It's ok if this is a shambles, because we've never used it before'. You use the experiences of others who have used it, you train staff thoroughly, and you expect competence from those using it.

Incredible that this far into VAR some people are still prepared to use the excuse of 'teething problems'. They've been using it in other leagues and cups for years now. What do you think we can't be prepared for?

We don't even need to focus on elite leagues. Have we had people talking to the leagues and clubs in places like Korea and Australia that have been using it for ages?

There is absolutely no excuse here.

[DukDukGoose]

1 hour ago, VincentGuerin said:

That's not a reason for it to go badly. Businesses use new technology all the time, and well-run businesses simply train their staff to use it before they're going to be making an arse of it in the real world.

The company I work for is in the fire safety business. We use new things all the time. We would never accept an argument that 'It's ok if this is a shambles, because we've never used it before'. You use the experiences of others who have used it, you train staff thoroughly, and you expect competence from those using it.

Incredible that this far into VAR some people are still prepared to use the excuse of 'teething problems'. They've been using it in other leagues and cups for years now. What do you think we can't be prepared for?

We don't even need to focus on elite leagues. Have we had people talking to the leagues and clubs in places like Korea and Australia that have been using it for ages?

There is absolutely no excuse here.

You'd think they could have sent some of the refs down to Stockley Park to see what it's like etc.

[LiviLion]

Seen a few articles this season saying "x's goal against Celtic/Rangers would have been disallowed by VAR", most recent being St Johnstone's equaliser against Celtic. Haven't seen any of those articles about games not including those 2, which is setting VAR up nicely.

[SJFCtheTeamForMe]

5 minutes ago, LiviLion said:

Seen a few articles this season saying "x's goal against Celtic/Rangers would have been disallowed by VAR", most recent being St Johnstone's equaliser against Celtic. Haven't seen any of those articles about games not including those 2, which is setting VAR up nicely.

Are they going to use it to imagine something wrong?

I cannot think of a single thing wrong with the Saints goal and I've seen it about 7 times?

[kingjoey]

20 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

You'd think they could have sent some of the refs down to Stockley Park to see what it's like etc.

Do you know they haven't?

[LiviLion]

Just now, SJFCtheTeamForMe said:

Are they going to use it to imagine something wrong?

I cannot think of a single thing wrong with the Saints goal and I've seen it about 7 times?

A slight shirt tug as the ball went into the box; even the player didn't claim for the foul but you better believe it would have been disallowed.

[DukDukGoose]

52 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

Do you know they haven't?

I would be astounded if they've had the foresight.

[Bogbrush1903]

2 hours ago, VincentGuerin said:

That's not a reason for it to go badly. Businesses use new technology all the time, and well-run businesses simply train their staff to use it before they're going to be making an arse of it in the real world.

The company I work for is in the fire safety business. We use new things all the time. We would never accept an argument that 'It's ok if this is a shambles, because we've never used it before'. You use the experiences of others who have used it, you train staff thoroughly, and you expect competence from those using it.

Incredible that this far into VAR some people are still prepared to use the excuse of 'teething problems'. They've been using it in other leagues and cups for years now. What do you think we can't be prepared for?

We don't even need to focus on elite leagues. Have we had people talking to the leagues and clubs in places like Korea and Australia that have been using it for ages?

There is absolutely no excuse here.

I'm just reading the article and I don't see anywhere that Maxwell says that the staff haven't been trained.

I also don't see anywhere that Maxwell says that they didn't bother looking at previous experiences of VAR rollouts across the world.

The problem is when users are exposed to a new system. They can uncover bugs with use that wasn't accounted for during testing or they can have a lack of understanding at what the technology does and how it should be applied.

The players and managers of clubs aren't staff but users. You can educate users all you want but unfortunately it won't stop initial misunderstandings. That education only comes with real world experience.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Bogbrush1903

[Leith Green]

Yes, but the big question is - will it stop players being sent off against Hibs?

 

[elvis]

21 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

Yes, but the big question is - will it stop players being sent off against Hibs?

 

Only if Porteous is sent off first.

[Broughty]

A slight shirt tug as the ball went into the box; even the player didn't claim for the foul but you better believe it would have been disallowed.

Really pathetic how they are looking to complain about a goal just because it’s scored against one of the old firm. If that had been scored for Celtic you could be sure it would never get a mention.

This is going to be interesting.

[Charles Stiles]

3 hours ago, LiviLion said:

Seen a few articles this season saying "x's goal against Celtic/Rangers would have been disallowed by VAR", most recent being St Johnstone's equaliser against Celtic. Haven't seen any of those articles about games not including those 2, which is setting VAR up nicely.

Saw that on the BBC gossip page, right after Maxwell's piece and immediately thought it's a brilliant way to sell the VAR concept to fans. Highlighting how the poor Old Firm are being harshly treated by refs is a guaranteed way to get folk on your side and quell the thoughts that they'll actually get even more decisions than they currently do. 

Also, by elevating 'teething troubles' to 'could be horrendous' it also looks as if Maxwell's found Stewart Regan's hyperbole notebook. 

 

 

[Busta Nut]

Amazing that some folk on this thread are still willing to accept problems with VAR years after it's introduction.

[Insert Amusing Pseudonym]

4 hours ago, Leith Green said:

Yes, but the big question is - will it stop Rangers players being sent off against Hibs?

 

Yes

[kingjoey]

6 hours ago, Merkland Red said:

I would be astounded if they've had the foresight.

Well yeah, but you've absolutely no idea if they have or haven't. I'm against VAR in Scottish football as much as anyone, but there's no point in simply making things up.