Munoz Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, accies1874 said: You'll be waiting a long time for that to happen I'm calm. The goal never stood but it didn't cost us. The referee had a howler throughout the game, so i wasn't surprised that this wasn't given. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 32 minutes ago, bennett said: Everyone on here wouldn't be happy if their team never got a goal for that. I’m not bothered that it wasn’t given as I understand the uncertainty. Had the ref or assistant awarded it I reckon it would have stood so I can understand why VAR stood by the decision as it was not a “clear and obvious” mistake. https://twitter.com/bawarmy/status/1690453134932348929?s=20 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) This is a good example of how deceptive far away angles can be when deciding whether the ball has crossed the line or not. Without a side-on picture you can't possibly conclusively guarantee that is in. https://twitter.com/strawbearysal/status/1598412195632746509 Edited August 13, 2023 by craigkillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 If only Douglas Ross had been running the line all would have been fine. A few years ago he awarded Killie a goal at St Mirren Park when footage showed he couldn’t even see the ball, yet knew without doubt it was over the line. We need that elite level of official throughout the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munoz Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bobby_F said: If only Douglas Ross had been running the line all would have been fine. A few years ago he awarded Killie a goal at St Mirren Park when footage showed he couldn’t even see the ball, yet knew without doubt it was over the line. We need that elite level of official throughout the game. But you forgot one thing about DRoss.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, bennett said: Everyone on here wouldn't be happy if their team never got a goal for that. Highlighting that people lose objectivity when it’s their own team isn’t really an argument for giving the goal though… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Eventually some chumps will end up sponsoring VAR and over-the-line technology will be introduced. Until that point, the wee video @craigkillie posted should be pinned to the top of this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 It was close and from my angle at the game I felt it was over. I get why the lack of a side on view means VAR can't really tell 100%. In saying that it does look like it's probably over and we got one at Pittrodrie last season which looked about the same so who knows how VAR works 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhame Buddie Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: What's the point. Near two minute review today......no goal. Only half way between the line and the net !!! What’s missing from this picture? Hint: he and his assistants were wearing yellow yesterday. If the on field officials were doing their job properly VAR wouldn’t be an issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Bobby_F said: If only Douglas Ross had been running the line all would have been fine. A few years ago he awarded Killie a goal at St Mirren Park when footage showed he couldn’t even see the ball, yet knew without doubt it was over the line. We need that elite level of official throughout the game. For any outside viewers who aren't familiar with this particular incident, the ball was indeed across the line and the decision was correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 35 minutes ago, Doonhame Buddie said: What’s missing from this picture? Hint: he and his assistants were wearing yellow yesterday. If the on field officials were doing their job properly VAR wouldn’t be an issue. Well the assistant will be by the corner flag outside the frame on the bottom right, no? So if he's looking along the line and can't be sure the whole of the ball had went over the whole of the line, he can't award the goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhame Buddie Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Well the assistant will be by the corner flag outside the frame on the bottom right, no? So if he's looking along the line and can't be sure the whole of the ball had went over the whole of the line, he can't award the goal. My point was the referee is nowhere in sight - he wasn’t keeping up with play. The assistant might be by the corner flag but we have no evidence of that from the still. His position is immaterial. We were sitting a few feet away from him and commented during the game he was giving a standard Scottish AR performance - indicating throw ins once the referee had awarded it, not flagging for obvious fouls (for both sides), letting throw ins and free kicks be taken yards from the correct position (for both sides). Anyway, the mistake didn’t change the outcome of the game and this is a VAR thread so I’ll leave you to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Doonhame Buddie said: My point was the referee is nowhere in sight - he wasn’t keeping up with play. The assistant might be by the corner flag but we have no evidence of that from the still. His position is immaterial. We were sitting a few feet away from him and commented during the game he was giving a standard Scottish AR performance - indicating throw ins once the referee had awarded it, not flagging for obvious fouls (for both sides), letting throw ins and free kicks be taken yards from the correct position (for both sides). Anyway, the mistake didn’t change the outcome of the game and this is a VAR thread so I’ll leave you to it. This was from a throw-in so if the referee wasn’t keeping up with play, there’s serious questions to be asked about how fast they can run. When you watch the video, the referee is just on the edge of the ‘D’, which is consistent with IFAB guidance on positioning: to ensure clear vision of play (in conjunction with the assistant), whilst also avoiding inadvertently interfering. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK1Bairn Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, Doonhame Buddie said: My point was the referee is nowhere in sight - he wasn’t keeping up with play. The assistant might be by the corner flag but we have no evidence of that from the still. His position is immaterial. We were sitting a few feet away from him and commented during the game he was giving a standard Scottish AR performance - indicating throw ins once the referee had awarded it, not flagging for obvious fouls (for both sides), letting throw ins and free kicks be taken yards from the correct position (for both sides). Anyway, the mistake didn’t change the outcome of the game and this is a VAR thread so I’ll leave you to it. You know the officials are miked up during the game eh? And they have the ability to talk to each other as a result? Just because an official doesn't flag (this is purely done to "sell" the decision) doesn't mean he's not telling the ref anything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Doonhame Buddie said: What’s missing from this picture? Hint: he and his assistants were wearing yellow yesterday. If the on field officials were doing their job properly VAR wouldn’t be an issue. Where would you place the ref? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 5 hours ago, craigkillie said: For any outside viewers who aren't familiar with this particular incident, the ball was indeed across the line and the decision was correct. Do you accept that Ross gave it dsspite three players - including the huge bulk of Kriss Boyd - meaning it was impossible for him to actually have seen where the ball was cleared. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhame Buddie Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 4 hours ago, ropy said: Where would you place the ref? In line with IFAB guidance on positioning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 57 minutes ago, Doonhame Buddie said: In line with IFAB guidance on positioning. Which is where he was. Glad we got there in the end. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Doonhame Buddie said: What’s missing from this picture? Hint: he and his assistants were wearing yellow yesterday. If the on field officials were doing their job properly VAR wouldn’t be an issue. 5 hours ago, ropy said: Where would you place the ref? 1 hour ago, Doonhame Buddie said: In line with IFAB guidance on positioning. 8 minutes ago, The Master said: Which is where he was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Doonhame Buddie said: What’s missing from this picture? Hint: he and his assistants were wearing yellow yesterday. If the on field officials were doing their job properly VAR wouldn’t be an issue. A complete lack of coverage of where both the ref and his assistant should be standing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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