2426255 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) Not of that much use but we'll end the night somewhere in the middle of these two case if my calculators done the numbers right. It does however show that a draw in all likelihood isn't going to help us unless most of the other results go our way. Edited November 15, 2021 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Shandrix Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: 12 hours ago, Jimi Shandrix said: Gross hyperbole in P&B shocker? And it makes the forum a worse experience when folk can spout nonsense then backpedal with "I was just exaggerating". Don't you worry sonny jim. I wasn't exaggerating. They really are that bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Not of that much use but we'll end the night somewhere in the middle of these two case if my calculators done the numbers right. It does however show that a draw in all likelihood isn't going to help us unless most of the other results go our way. A draw is fine as long as Belgium beat Wales or Hungary beat Poland [Provided that the Netherlands don’t lose to Norway and Montenegro avoid a 4 goal gubbing by Turkey). The latter is pretty unlikely but the former is eminently possible. I think it’s 50/50 whether we’d be seeded if it’s a draw tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Insert Amusing Pseudonym said: Robbo, McGinn, Gilmour, Hendry, McTominay, O'Donnell, Adams and Nisbet. Certainly some you wouldn't want to lose Well McTominay isn't playing anyway so that's irrelevant. Couldn't really care less if Nisbet is suspended either as he's very unlikely to start either tonight or in the playoffs. O'Donnell is probably 2nd choice to Paterson these days anyway. I'd rather not lose any of the others but Hendry would just be replaced by McTominay anyway and Adams isn't that vital. As good as they are, Robertson and Gilmour aren't completely irreplaceable as long as Jack is fit and presumably Tierney would move out left and Hanley / Cooper / McKenna slot into centre back. McGinn's the most irreplaceable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Donathan said: A draw is fine as long as Belgium beat Wales or Hungary beat Poland [Provided that the Netherlands don’t lose to Norway and Montenegro avoid a 4 goal gubbing by Turkey). The latter is pretty unlikely but the former is eminently possible. I think it’s 50/50 whether we’d be seeded if it’s a draw tonight. I'm not sure where the optimism is that Hungary might beat Poland comes from. I know they stole a point at Wembley but I've seen nothing from the serial racists to suggest they are capable of taking anything from Poland. If we're going to be seeded with a point we need Belgium to win and the Dutch group to come good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Skyline Drifter said: I'm not sure where the optimism is that Hungary might beat Poland comes from. I know they stole a point at Wembley but I've seen nothing from the serial racists to suggest they are capable of taking anything from Poland. If we're going to be seeded with a point we need Belgium to win and the Dutch group to come good. Wales are a stubborn wee team so wouldn't surprise me one bit if they take something of Belgium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just now, 2426255 said: Wales are a stubborn wee team so wouldn't surprise me one bit if they take something of Belgium. It certainly wouldn't surprise me. It's unlikely but not unthinkable. We're only slightly more likely to get one from Denmark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: I'm not sure where the optimism is that Hungary might beat Poland comes from. I know they stole a point at Wembley but I've seen nothing from the serial racists to suggest they are capable of taking anything from Poland. If we're going to be seeded with a point we need Belgium to win and the Dutch group to come good. Oh the Hungary scenario is highly unlikely. Much more likely that Wales lose, IMO. I shared the Paddy Power odds earlier and it has Belgium as a 42% chance of winning whereas Hungary 17%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, Donathan said: I think it’s 50/50 whether we’d be seeded if it’s a draw tonight. I don’t think it’s even as likely as that tbh. Belgium will have nothing to play for so will likely give some fringe players some minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I'm not sure where the optimism is that Hungary might beat Poland comes from. I know they stole a point at Wembley but I've seen nothing from the serial racists to suggest they are capable of taking anything from the serial racists. FTFY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 The odds are pretty much 50-50 that either Belgium or Hungary win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor7 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Do Wales need a result tonight to guarantee a play off spot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: I'm not sure where the optimism is that Hungary might beat Poland comes from. I know they stole a point at Wembley but I've seen nothing from the serial racists to suggest they are capable of taking anything from Poland. If we're going to be seeded with a point we need Belgium to win and the Dutch group to come good. Based purely on the Euros (albeit they had two of their games at home), Hungary looked like a better team than Poland, and they got a draw at Wembley last month. Basically losing the double header against Albania has done them over in this group, but I'm not sure they're much different from Poland - they drew 3-3 in Budapest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Connor7 said: Do Wales need a result tonight to guarantee a play off spot? No, they may lose second place to the Czechs if they are beaten, but they’d then get in through the nations league. Whoever misses out on 2nd in that group will get the UNL spot alongside Austria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Connor7 said: Do Wales need a result tonight to guarantee a play off spot? No, they have a guaranteed play-off via the Nations League (as do the Czechs). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immcinto Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Betfair: Belgium Win 2.37 (42%) Hungary Win 6.5 (15%) Turkey win by more than 3 goals. 20(5%) Overall chance of seeding with a Denmark Draw = 52%. Netherlands result doesn't matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_rover Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Also the important other games are tomorrow night, so a 24 hour wait if it is a draw tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, immcinto said: Betfair: Belgium Win 2.37 (42%) Hungary Win 6.5 (15%) Turkey win by more than 3 goals. 20(5%) Overall chance of seeding with a Denmark Draw = 52%. Netherlands result doesn't matter. Isn’t there a scenario where Norway come second and are on net 15 points? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB1994 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Donathan said: Isn’t there a scenario where Norway come second and are on net 15 points? They would need to win away to the Netherlands and hope Turkey drop points to Montenegro I believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Not sure why we'd worry about Poland either. Lewandowski is obviously incredible, but the rest of the team are largely average. The only teams I would worry about are Wales and perhaps Russia. Possibly Portugal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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