Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

Bollocks. 

 

I could write more but that pretty much covers it. 

Aye, you've been strident with your double standard throughout this thread.

[Booker-T]

8 hours ago, FreedomFarter said:

A para is someone who's volunteered to go abroad and kill men for the "crime" of defending their homeland from the paras' invasion. We can recognise that such volunteers are deliberately steered down that path by both propaganda and socio-economic conditions. Yet an element of choice was present and I don't think its unfair to judge them for that choice. If we can question the character of Russians volunteering to do this to Ukrainians then we can also question the character of Brits volunteering to do it to Iraqis, Afghans, Kosovans and the rest.

When did brits do it to kosovans?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Booker-T said:

When did brits do it to kosovans?

Paras killing a Kosovo Serb: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/shot-dead-by-the-paras-policeman-who-said-no-1099991.html

Paras killing Kosovar Albanians: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/paras-face-murder-probe-1105664.html

If you mean UK military in general and not specifically the paras, RAF pilots obviously contributed to the NATO bombing of Kosovo. That resulted in the killing of many local combatants, mostly Serbian military but also Albanian KLA. Many civilians in both Kosovo and Serbia were also killed by the bombing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force

[Sweet Pete]

You can now buy Azov battalion collectors crypto coins to raise funds for Ukraine.

[Booker-T]

1 hour ago, Sweet Pete said:

You can now buy Azov battalion collectors crypto coins to raise funds for Ukraine.

Link?

[Booker-T]

3 hours ago, FreedomFarter said:

Paras killing a Kosovo Serb: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/shot-dead-by-the-paras-policeman-who-said-no-1099991.html

Paras killing Kosovar Albanians: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/paras-face-murder-probe-1105664.html

If you mean UK military in general and not specifically the paras, RAF pilots obviously contributed to the NATO bombing of Kosovo. That resulted in the killing of many local combatants, mostly Serbian military but also Albanian KLA. Many civilians in both Kosovo and Serbia were also killed by the bombing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force

And many more civilians would have been killed without those bombings. 

[MazzyStar]

1 minute ago, Booker-T said:

And many more civilians would have been killed without those bombings. 

Were tv stations, a passenger train, schools and even the Chinese embassy all “legitimate targets”? 

[Silvio Tattiescone]

 

https://signmyrocket.com/ 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Booker-T said:

And many more civilians would have been killed without those bombings. 

Academic consensus is the opposite. Here's a Danish researcher (he's not of special significance but I have to use someone's findings as an example):

https://theconversation.com/kosovo-disputes-continue-20-years-after-nato-bombing-campaign-113669 

The bombing created chaos within which both the KLA and Serb paramilitaries could run riot. 

So that was outcome. Intent is worth considering too. The KLA had an established track record of killing civilians prior to the 1999 war yet the SAS still chose to provide them training, suggesting civilian casualties were not a particular UK concern.

[Sweet Pete]

9 hours ago, Newbornbairn said:

 

https://signmyrocket.com/ 

That's grim as f**k.

[ICTChris]

Signing projectiles with messages is thousands of years old.

on the left is a slingshot stone with “catch” written on it in ancient Greek, likely from more than 2000 years ago.

Edited April 11, 2023 by ICTChris

[ICTChris]

Thread about one of the main Ukrainian challenges on the counter offensive, defensive fortifications 

 

 

[Sweet Pete]

26 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Signing projectiles with messages is thousands of years old.

on the left is a slingshot stone with “catch” written on it in ancient Greek, likely from more than 2000 years ago.

Oh, I'm well aware of the history, but uninvolved foreign civilians donating money to do it is distasteful.

[vikingTON]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/10/in-war-there-are-no-emotions-ukraine-drone-squads-bakhmut

Can't see how funding the use of £1400 off the shelf products as a weapon in an active war zone could possibly backfire in the near future. 

[Cosmic Joe]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

Signing projectiles with messages is thousands of years old.

on the left is a slingshot stone with “catch” written on it in ancient Greek, likely from more than 2000 years ago.

...and on the right is an utter moron

[highlandcowden]

3 hours ago, Cosmic Joe said:

...and on the right is an utter moron

How so?

[Jacksgranda]

17 hours ago, MazzyStar said:

Were tv stations, a passenger train, schools and even the Chinese embassy all “legitimate targets”? 

Better safe than sorry...

[Cosmic Joe]

1 hour ago, highlandcowden said:

How so?

I find it a bit pathetic. He is in a difficult position no doubt, being paid to inflict damage, possibly even kill other human beings. It should be a sobering situation, not something to be glorified by demeaning your opposition. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Cosmic Joe said:

I find it a bit pathetic. He is in a difficult position no doubt, being paid to inflict damage, possibly even kill other human beings. It should be a sobering situation, not something to be glorified by demeaning your opposition. 

He was ground crew* so more detached from the danger and could afford to be more light-hearted. Flight crews will've been more focused, nine of them went on to die in that raid: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tungsten

Edit: *The man in the photo, Bob Cotcher, may've been flight crew actually. I found conflicting results just now when googling him. 

Edited April 11, 2023 by FreedomFarter

[Sweet Pete]

3 hours ago, FreedomFarter said:

He was ground crew* so more detached from the danger and could afford to be more light-hearted. Flight crews will've been more focused, nine of them went on to die in that raid: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tungsten

Edit: *The man in the photo, Bob Cotcher, may've been flight crew actually. I found conflicting results just now when googling him. 

A crucial difference; he's actively involved in a war, whether he's a frontline infantryman or a mechanic. Now, compare that with a random Internet user from Scotland (for example) paying actual money from their actual bank account to sponsor a hateful message on an explosive that will be launched (with a lovely souvenir photo) to kill other humans they've never met. That's wrong from every angle.