Ewan8472 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Radio Scotland in " worth listening to " shocker ! John " Pete Townsend played the solo on My Generation " Beattie interviewed a Russian journalist (?). IIRC described as pro Russian , but not necessarily pro Putin. He said if Ukraine ( joined NATO and ) got missiles they would only be 7 minutes flight to Moscow and compared it all to the Cuban missile crisis. Putin is a **** but it was an interesting point of view 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, Ewan8472 said: Radio Scotland in " worth listening to " shocker ! John " Pete Townsend played the solo on My Generation " Beattie interviewed a Russian journalist (?). IIRC described as pro Russian , but not necessarily pro Putin. He said if Ukraine ( joined NATO and ) got missiles they would only be 7 minutes flight to Moscow and compared it all to the Cuban missile crisis. Putin is a **** but it was an interesting point of view Yes, the way I always look at it is how do the yanks react when something they don't like occurs politically in Central or South America and as for the UK, how would England (and indeed the Yanks) react if an independent Scotland signed a deal with China or Russia to allow them to setup bases here ? Would they see us as a sovereign state free to make our own choices ?? I think not..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Yes, the way I always look at it is how do the yanks react when something they don't like occurs politically in Central or South America and as for the UK, how would England (and indeed the Yanks) react if an independent Scotland signed a deal with China or Russia to allow them to setup bases here ? Would they see us as a sovereign state free to make our own choices ?? I think not..... Is it still the case wrt Central and South America ? Certainly in the past they reacted Nicuagra ( sp ) Sandanistas , El Salvador contras 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Ewan8472 said: Radio Scotland in " worth listening to " shocker ! John " Pete Townsend played the solo on My Generation " Beattie interviewed a Russian journalist (?). IIRC described as pro Russian , but not necessarily pro Putin. He said if Ukraine ( joined NATO and ) got missiles they would only be 7 minutes flight to Moscow and compared it all to the Cuban missile crisis. Putin is a **** but it was an interesting point of view Instead of 8 minutes from Germany or 6 from a submarine in the Baltic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 16/02/2022 at 19:57, Lester Freamon said: The last time a lot of far right extremists tried to fight the Russians it didn't end well for them.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 hours ago, tamthebam said: The last time a lot of far right extremists tried to fight the Russians it didn't end well for them.... England fans did get their arses handed to them in 2016, fair point. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Snafu said: Before and during WW2 the Nazis found willing allies from the now independent countries that broke away after the collapse of the Soviet Union , Ukraine was one. They even had their own volunteer division of SS. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3004274 Great bunch of lads IIRC. Always up for a laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Did the Waffen SS not have more Russians than Ukranians ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Snafu said: Before and during WW2 the Nazis found willing allies from the now independent countries that broke away after the collapse of the Soviet Union , Ukraine was one. They even had their own volunteer division of SS. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3004274 Wait till the UK sends in the Mumsnet Division. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Snafu said: Before and during WW2 the Nazis found willing allies from the now independent countries that broke away after the collapse of the Soviet Union , Ukraine was one. They even had their own volunteer division of SS. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3004274 Many countries did. There was even a British one called the British Free Corps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Wait till the UK sends in the Mumsnet Division. Sparklingbrook to lead from the front... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 When I was in Estonia, their Museum of Liberation was an eye-opener, portraying as local heroes the Estonian nationals who formed an SS Division of resistance to the Russian invaders. I guess it’s all about context and self- interest. Same as the Jewish Museum in Krakow clearly shows that many of the atrocities were carried out by Ukrainian, Hungarian SS Units etc! World War 2 in many ways was an excuse for many nations in the Balkans, central and Eastern Europe to have their own little local ethnic cleansing. And that’s before we consider the Communist parties trying to seize power in many other European nations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, deegee said: When I was in Estonia, their Museum of Liberation was an eye-opener, portraying as local heroes the Estonian nationals who formed an SS Division of resistance to the Russian invaders. I guess it’s all about context and self- interest. Same as the Jewish Museum in Krakow clearly shows that many of the atrocities were carried out by Ukrainian, Hungarian SS Units etc! World War 2 in many ways was an excuse for many nations in the Balkans, central and Eastern Europe to have their own little local ethnic cleansing. And that’s before we consider the Communist parties trying to seize power in many other European nations. Finland was an ally of Nazi Germany because they were both fighting the Soviet Union, while Norway was fighting German occupation. The Nazis were totally evil but pretty much the same could be said of the Soviet Union. Stalin was quite happy to supply Germany with everything up until the day that Germany attacked. All occupied countries were seriously compromised. The Ukrainians were often fighting both the Nazis and the Soviets. Edited February 18, 2022 by Fullerene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) Those nasty Russkies stepping up their efforts to a pretext for invasion in Donetsk region. Edited February 18, 2022 by Highlandmagyar Tier 3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staggy1929 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Actually fairly terrifying stuff this. Hopefully it all gets resolved sooner rather than later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 They used the evacuation of children spiel before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: Finland was an ally of Nazi Germany because they were both fighting the Soviet Union, while Norway was fighting German occupation. The Nazis were totally evil but pretty much the same could be said of the Soviet Union. Stalin was quite happy to supply Germany with everything up until the day that Germany attacked. All occupied countries were seriously compromised. The Ukrainians were often fighting both the Nazis and the Soviets. Our old minister drove an ambulance for the Finns during their war with the Soviet Union. When he got back he was told he might get charged with aiding the enemy but he didn't hear anything more. I think we're still officially at war with Finland as nobody bothered doing the paperwork to end it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Our old minister drove an ambulance for the Finns during their war with the Soviet Union. When he got back he was told he might get charged with aiding the enemy but he didn't hear anything more. I think we're still officially at war with Finland as nobody bothered doing the paperwork to end it. Maybe we should annexe Finland get Nato to cram the border with Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Never have guessed George would be backing Putin’s boys eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Maybe we should annexe Finland get Nato to cram the border with Russia. Pukki on the bench v. Ukraine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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