Shandon Par Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, bennett said: Auld squaddies? The middle one is a former football hooligan from a well know group of Leith-based ruffians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: This might be shite but I just really want there to be a bank called Tinkoff. There is indeed. They used to sponsor a cycling team. Guy who owned the bank was a bit of a "character". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, killiekranky said: Scotland has also sent a few rockets Is that Benny fae Crossroads on the left...?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, ICTChris said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-putin-revamped-military-ukraine-invasion-11647469602 Article about difficulties Russian forces have faced. Interesting point about railways - they have clearly been important and Ukraine holding junction cities. The railways are still operating which is insane. You can get an overnight train from Lviv to Odessa and trains have been leaving Kharkiv. Imagine Scotrail operating during a massive war. Read something from an official Russian source about how controlling Kherson would be great because of the railway junction for logistics, can't find it now, it's proper WW1 and 2 stuff. Still curious about the relative absence of the Russian air force, is it because the NATO supplied anti aircraft weaponry Ukraine got is too dangerous, or Putin held them back because he promised it would be as easy as sending the little green men into Crimea, or just that the entire Russian military has shown itself to be a bit shite and representative of their Italy level economy, keeping their UN Security Council membership only because of warehouses full of rusty nukes, bit like the UK? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Unbelievably shoddy "armour", particular on the lorry with bits of allotment shed glued to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, 101 said: Unbelievably shoddy "armour", particular on the lorry with bits of allotment shed glued to it. Philpy on tour in Ukraine ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kersey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, 101 said: Unbelievably shoddy "armour", particular on the lorry with bits of allotment shed glued to it. Putin's been watching the A-Team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Florentine_Pogen said: Philpy on tour in Ukraine ? “The fucking parking in Kharkiv is atrocious. On the plus side, plenty spare wid for a new bench out the back”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Read something from an official Russian source about how controlling Kherson would be great because of the railway junction for logistics, can't find it now, it's proper WW1 and 2 stuff. Still curious about the relative absence of the Russian air force, is it because the NATO supplied anti aircraft weaponry Ukraine got is too dangerous, or Putin held them back because he promised it would be as easy as sending the little green men into Crimea, or just that the entire Russian military has shown itself to be a bit shite and representative of their Italy level economy, keeping their UN Security Council membership only because of warehouses full of rusty nukes, bit like the UK? I've seen a variety of explanations - That the Russian Air Force don't have experience in flying complex missions and they can't technically do it or they don't have enough pilots with experience. - That the initial missile attacks on Day 1 didn't really damage Ukraine's air defences and they have continued to operate them at full capacity for the duration. - The Russian Air Force don't have enough precision guided weapons and haven't flown missions as the Russians have prefered to use missile attacks and artillery. - Due to technical constraints they have to fly lower and are thus more vulnerable to air defences. This leads to more losses and greater reluctance to use air power. - One other explanation is that the Russians have a higher level of air supiority than you'd think - they currently fly around ten times as many sorties as the Ukrainian Air Force every day. The thing that really shocks me is that the Ukrainians are still using TB2s - I know I go on about it but every assessment I read of those drones in relation to this war and to the war in Karabakh was that they wouldn't work against a modern air force, who would shoot them down and jam them into uselessness. One assessment I read said that they would likely be done in the first hour of any war. Russian UAV use was also pretty low in the early days of the war, they are appearing more now though. There was a podcast I listened to a week or so ago, primarily about the idea of a no-fly zone and the two guys doing it said that suppressing air defence systems is actually very hard. NATO couldn't do it in Kosovo and that was in a much smaller area than Ukraine, with a higher quality air powers and lower quality air defence systems. The Yugoslav air defence managed to shoot down a stealth bomber in that war, I think they downed a few other NATO planes as well. It's actually really hard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, djchapsticks said: For a guy who is vehemently anti-Nazi, rambling on like a fucking madman about 'cleansing of society' to make a country purer is a wee bit of an eyebrow raiser. Yeah, all the "FFS, he's not Hitler" people must be wishing he'd shut the f**k up and stop weakening their case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 War updates from Alex Tiffin. The best source I've seen yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Detournement said: The world is crying out for a good cultural cleanse. I think your man Putin is trying tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I've seen a variety of explanations - That the Russian Air Force don't have experience in flying complex missions and they can't technically do it or they don't have enough pilots with experience. - That the initial missile attacks on Day 1 didn't really damage Ukraine's air defences and they have continued to operate them at full capacity for the duration. - The Russian Air Force don't have enough precision guided weapons and haven't flown missions as the Russians have prefered to use missile attacks and artillery. - Due to technical constraints they have to fly lower and are thus more vulnerable to air defences. This leads to more losses and greater reluctance to use air power. - One other explanation is that the Russians have a higher level of air supiority than you'd think - they currently fly around ten times as many sorties as the Ukrainian Air Force every day. The thing that really shocks me is that the Ukrainians are still using TB2s - I know I go on about it but every assessment I read of those drones in relation to this war and to the war in Karabakh was that they wouldn't work against a modern air force, who would shoot them down and jam them into uselessness. One assessment I read said that they would likely be done in the first hour of any war. Russian UAV use was also pretty low in the early days of the war, they are appearing more now though. There was a podcast I listened to a week or so ago, primarily about the idea of a no-fly zone and the two guys doing it said that suppressing air defence systems is actually very hard. NATO couldn't do it in Kosovo and that was in a much smaller area than Ukraine, with a higher quality air powers and lower quality air defence systems. The Yugoslav air defence managed to shoot down a stealth bomber in that war, I think they downed a few other NATO planes as well. It's actually really hard. With all due respect Chris, can you not get unnaturally obsessed with your fitba team like the rest of us on here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cosmic Joe said: With all due respect Chris, can you not get unnaturally obsessed with your fitba team like the rest of us on here? Trying to think of an air defence joke in relation to Shane Sutherland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, KirkySuperSub said: Is that Bennett fae P&B on the left...?! FTFY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The way that the press are reporting things, they are portraying the Russian military as being slightly inept and taking a bit of a hiding. Don’t see a lot of reports about Ukrainian military losses. Things might change when Putin sends in the football hooligans… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I've seen a variety of explanations - That the Russian Air Force don't have experience in flying complex missions and they can't technically do it or they don't have enough pilots with experience. The thing that really shocks me is that the Ukrainians are still using TB2s - I know I go on about it but every assessment I read of those drones in relation to this war and to the war in Karabakh was that they wouldn't work against a modern air force, who would shoot them down and jam them into uselessness. They managed to handle very complex rules in Syria to avoid direct contact with NATO air forces, apart from the odd incident with Turkey. Maybe they're not very good at detecting and shooting down tiny things or mobile jamming? Quote - The Russian Air Force don't have enough precision guided weapons and haven't flown missions as the Russians have prefered to use missile attacks and artillery. In Syria they ended up using homemade barrel bombs pretty effectively, precision guided bombs are hugely expensive and even the West only use them when the cameras are on. I remember when the first Iraq war was on and all the videos were shown of bombs going down chimneys and the like, and a film crew showed a UK RAF base loading transporter planes with pallets of WW2 style gravity bombs. Next day filming was banned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendot Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, supermik said: The way that the press are reporting things, they are portraying the Russian military as being slightly inept and taking a bit of a hiding. Don’t see a lot of reports about Ukrainian military losses. Things might change when Putin sends in the football hooligans… This is the impression I get of the Russian army marching into the Ukraine! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 China is in the splash zone for Russia’s mintering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Which of his many faces will Putin present for these discussions? Quote The second category is where the difficulty will lie, and in his phone call, Mr Putin said that it would need face-to-face negotiations between him and President Zelensky before agreement could be reached on these points. Ukraine conflict: Putin lays out his demands in Turkish phone call - BBC News 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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