ICTChris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 A NATO official has briefed that they assess that Russia has lost between 7,000 - 15,000 troops in the war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 This is going to be the story to watch. Germans do not f**k about with money. If the EU make a crazy statement about China tomorrow then pressure will only increase. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Detournement said: This is going to be the story to watch. Germans do not f**k about with money. If the EU make a crazy statement about China tomorrow then pressure will only increase. They should try having a fucking c**t like Rishi Sunak in charge of the till. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: They should try having a fucking c**t like Rishi Sunak in charge of the till. The Tory Party ethos is that people can replace having disposable income with being raging about immigrants/lefties/transwomen/non white folk on TV/Putin/Brexit/Tories. Pick your poison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: A NATO official has briefed that they assess that Russia has lost between 7,000 - 15,000 troops in the war. You have to question the validity of any claim that says it might be x or it might be greater than 2x. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: You have to question the validity of any claim that says it might be x or it might be greater than 2x. Russia accidentally confirmed they had 10k dead a couple days ago then retracted it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Drone footage of Mariupol..............what a fucking mess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Russia accidentally confirmed they had 10k dead a couple days ago then retracted it. No they didn't, they were hacked...remember...!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Russia accidentally confirmed they had 10k dead a couple days ago then retracted it. I’m not disputing any figure, just commenting on how broad it is. I was tempted to say ‘the more the better’ but these Russian soldiers are victims of Putin as much as the poor Ukrainians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Drone footage of Mariupol..............what a fucking mess. Nothing @Shandon Par couldn’t fix up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 You have to question the validity of any claim that says it might be x or it might be greater than 2x.Surely you would be more trusting of a figure which explicitly outlines its uncertainty, rather than someone claiming to know the exact number. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Drone footage of Mariupol..............what a fucking mess. -Mr Putin sir, you know that nice city by the sea you wanted? -Mariupol? Well sir, you might not want it any more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: -Mr Putin sir, you know that nice city by the sea you wanted? -Mariupol? Well sir, you might not want it any more. Calgacus got it right 2000 years ago: "They make a desert and call it peace." Or in this case they might call it denazification, the way they're wont to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Surely you would be more trusting of a figure which explicitly outlines its uncertainty, rather than someone claiming to know the exact number. That’s a valid point. I agree with it somewhere between 1% and 100%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 -Mr Putin sir, you know that nice city by the sea you wanted? -Mariupol? Well sir, you might not want it any more.It's a fair point, the cities he is destroying will cost them billions to rebuild if they are ever conceded in some sort of negotiated settlement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: Drone footage of Mariupol..............what a fucking mess. Heard an interview on Radio Scotland earlier with a very emotional Sergei Baltacha sr, didn't realise he was from Mariupol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: -Mr Putin sir, you know that nice city by the sea you wanted? -Mariupol? Well sir, you might not want it any more. It's a fair point, the cities he is destroying will cost them billions to rebuild if they are ever conceded in some sort of negotiated settlement. It's Odessa (at a push) and a land link to Crimea (very likely) they're after. Mariupol has little significance in itself, other than a defensive obstacle to those strategic goals. If Russia turns Ukraine into a de facto landlocked country then that's a major strategic gain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 32 minutes ago, welshbairn said: -Mr Putin sir, you know that nice city by the sea you wanted? -Mariupol? Well sir, you might not want it any more. It's a fair point, the cities he is destroying will cost them billions to rebuild if they are ever conceded in some sort of negotiated settlement. Is he not more interested in depriving Ukraine of Mariupol than having it for his own purposes? Or at least are his purposes not more strategic than anything else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Had a look at the big steel plant in Mariupol that's been half destroyed. Quote Before 2016 the plant was named after Communist leader Vladimir Lenin. On 25 April 2016 due to decommunization laws in Ukraine it was "renamed" in honour of scientist Zot Illich Nekrasov, so it is still called Маріупольський металургійний комбінат імені Ілліча (literally - Mariupol Metallurgical Plant named after Illich). Because of this manipulation, Mariupol citizens started to call it "Plant after not-that-Illich". http://ilyich.com.ua/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Is he not more interested in depriving Ukraine of Mariupol than having it for his own purposes? Or at least are his purposes not more strategic than anything else? As I understand it, the destruction of Mariupol serves little strategic purpose, except to terrorise the population. Putin seems to want to drive more of the population out to Poland / Western Europe. What he intends to do with the remaining wasteland is anyones guess? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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