ICTJohnboy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 50 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: I am fairly ignorant of employment / industrial relations legislation but had assumed that this type of stuff was completely illegal. Can someone enlighten me ? Maybe one for WRK ? I guess they're taking advantage of the fact that we are no longer in the EU. Quote What is labour law? Labour law defines your rights and obligations as workers and employers. EU labour law covers 2 main areas: working conditions - working hours, part-time & fixed-term work, posting of workers, informing & consulting workers about collective redundancies, transfers of companies, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, stumobir said: It’s actually “gangway” or “accommodation ladder” depending on the system used. I am a seafarer (or was, I’m a Pilot now) and have a few mates who work for P&O, a total disbelief this has happened to them. A guy I know is onboard in Cairnryan, not only did security turn up, they were rigged out in balaclavas, a fine way to treat your staff, some who will have been working there for decades. To put this in to perspective, P&O paid out £270m in dividends in 2020. Additionally, P&O have stated there will be disruption to service for a few days. Whenever I’ve joined a vessel for the first time, I usually do a “parallel sailing” with the guy I’m relieving so that I’m comfortable with the ship’s systems and more importantly, can respond to emergency situations effectively which happen far more often than you’d want to believe. In fact the Pride of Hull recently had a fire onboard and the crew were praised for saving the vessel. I’d hope the MCA would be all over this as every ship should receive a full Port State Control Inspection before being given permission to sail. Sorry about your friends (mates) and aye the idea of a total crew changeover for a large passenger vessel without work up or shadowing sounds like the start of a disaster film. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Denny Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 How many Tory scum bought P&O shares yesterday? Remove their licence to operate... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys McCabe Hype Train Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 This has happened/been happening on deep sea trade for donkeys years. Remember speaking to an offshore Master Mariner last year saying he couldn’t get a job in the North Sea because of the amount of agency workers from Eastern Europe. Just need to look at cruise ships. I knew a cadet who, fresh from college, was put on a cruise ship with a “Senior 3rd Officer” title whereas the Filipino standing next to him on duty doing the same job with 10 years seafaring experience was just a “3rd officer”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 59 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: gangplank @RH33 oh, wait,... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said: This topic is being discussed on 4 different threads. Maybe one of Div's kapos could bring them together ? Ta. "kapos"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumobir Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dylan Easton Fanclub said: This has happened/been happening on deep sea trade for donkeys years. Remember speaking to an offshore Master Mariner last year saying he couldn’t get a job in the North Sea because of the amount of agency workers from Eastern Europe. Just need to look at cruise ships. I knew a cadet who, fresh from college, was put on a cruise ship with a “Senior 3rd Officer” title whereas the Filipino standing next to him on duty doing the same job with 10 years seafaring experience was just a “3rd officer”. Aye, the day of the British Merchant Navy is dead but they’re still piling cadets through colleges to pick up their tonnage tax relief. Ironically ferries were seen as the last stable job for British seafarers. The issue is we’re now struggling to recruit for shoreside positions such as Harbour Master, Vessel Traffic Services, superintendents etc. Nautilus (biggest Union) has been highlighting this for years but you won’t be surprised to hear it’s fallen on deaf ears. I’ve been a Pilot, in a major UK port district, for 5 years now and I could count on one hand the number of British Captains I’ve worked with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I remember the good old days when the Tories would chuck cash at ferry companies without any ferries I wonder how much this lot have skimmed the last couple of years 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: "kapos"? Thought that too, P&B can get a bit grim on occasion but it's not Buchenwald. Edited March 17, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Watching a debate/discussion in "The House" going on just now with all the usual petty waffling. If only 2 Jags Prescott (MP, and one time prominent member of the Seaman's Union) was still around, someone would have had a black eye and a bloody nose by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys McCabe Hype Train Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, stumobir said: Aye, the day of the British Merchant Navy is dead but they’re still piling cadets through colleges to pick up their tonnage tax relief. Ironically ferries were seen as the last stable job for British seafarers. The issue is we’re now struggling to recruit for shoreside positions such as Harbour Master, Vessel Traffic Services, superintendents etc. Nautilus (biggest Union) has been highlighting this for years but you won’t be surprised to hear it’s fallen on deaf ears. I’ve been a Pilot, in a major UK port district, for 5 years now and I could count on one hand the number of British Captains I’ve worked with. Wouldn’t mind a VTS gig if it was going right enough. Did my sea time but never got my CoC because I’m a dafty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael W said: A level of cuntiness that is difficult to surpass, although I'm sure someone will eventually. Not even "fire and rehire", just fired and immediately replaced with cheap agency labour. Did get a good chuckle at the Captain lifting the drawbridge on one of the ships so the heavies can't get onboard to chuck them all off. Good luck getting your boat back, you fuckers. From here, the only correct course of action is to hoist the Jolly Roger, get the chanties CD on over the tannoy, set sail for the Seven Seas and spend the rest of your lives as pirates going on quests for dubloons and wenches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Bert Raccoon said: FREE PALESTINE!!! Du Du Du. Good Times never felt so good. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 "kapos"?I'm hoping he meant to spell that with a "c", for the godfather vibe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N5 Spur Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If it hasn't been previously mentioned, and I don't see that is the case, I think it's important to make the distinction between P&O Ferries and P&O Cruises - they are now separate entities with the ferry company being owned by Dubai Ports World and the cruise outfit being owned by the Carnival Corporation. I reckon the cruise company are going to suffer due to name association, which does carry positive historical connotation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, N5 Spur said: If it hasn't been previously mentioned, and I don't see that is the case, I think it's important to make the distinction between P&O Ferries and P&O Cruises - they are now separate entities with the ferry company being owned by Dubai Ports World and the cruise outfit being owned by the Carnival Corporation. I reckon the cruise company are going to suffer due to name association, which does carry positive historical connotation. ^^^^ Works for p&o cruises as cheap labour type of post 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Dylan Easton Fanclub said: Did my sea time but never got my CoC because I’m a dafty. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N5 Spur Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, doulikefish said: ^^^^ Works for p&o cruises as cheap labour type of post The two largest P&O Cruises boats are UK registered so while still subject to cheap labour as per the industry, have a degree of UK HR rules and regulations backup. Not sure about their other boats which are Bermuda registered. P&O Ferries have no UK registered vessels so are subject to the laws of whichever flag are registered with - Cyprus and Finland in the main, with a few other countries thrown in too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: "kapos"? I'm hoping he meant to spell that with a "c", for the godfather vibe. Hmmm, hadn't thought of that, although you'd think anyone with the slightest grasp of history and/or the Second World War would have known "kapos" isn't acceptable in this context. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Hmmm, hadn't thought of that, although you'd think anyone with the slightest grasp of history and/or the Second World War would have known "kapos" isn't acceptable in this context. Really ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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