Antlion Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 59 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Has Boris been on the web to offer his congratulations yet? His precious Union just goes from strength to strength, doesn't it? Probably won't be long until someone says that the votes shouldn't have any attention paid to it, as it might not be good for the Union. He should have thought about that when he decided it would be a jolly jape to shout loudly about the wickedness and uselessness of political unions (because what a lark it would be to be a hero to the racist flat-cap wearers who, their jaws slack, might then put him in the job to which his birth entitled him). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 hours ago, hearthammer said: Perhaps the new regime (pending) might want to consider that perhaps Mr William isn't going away anytime soon ?? Hopefully, democracy and progress will prevail. I'm sure that the staunch would thoroughly approve of the governing regime of TFS smacking down the minority community. A case of swings and roundabouts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 12 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Has Boris been on the web to offer his congratulations yet? His precious Union just goes from strength to strength, doesn't it? Probably won't be long until someone says that the votes shouldn't have any attention paid to it, as it might not be good for the Union. I wouldn’t say it goes from strength to strength, but it’s pretty safe in terms of both Scotland and NI. No chance of separation up here and no chance of a border poll in NI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Raab says it's all the fault of the Ni protocol...thankfully Sophie ridge pulled him up for it then it was flim flam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 54 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Raab says it's all the fault of the Ni protocol...thankfully Sophie ridge pulled him up for it then it was flim flam Raab is correct though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Raab is correct though. Aye, and who negotiated the f****** thing? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 This tweet from Murdo Fraser speaks volumes in terms of the thinking that underpins the political situation in Northern Ireland. Either Sinn Fein are now an accepted part of democracy functioning in Northern Ireland or they're not. If Murdo finds it so reprehensible that they be congratulated on their result, it's on the basis that he still sees them as Sinn Fein/IRA. If that's the case, why has the UK govt spent the last 24 years supporting the GFA - unless of course it's pat on the head patronising. If he's so dead set against people voting democratically in Northern Ireland, maybe he should start by protesting to his own party bosses instead of wanting to slaughter others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, HTG said: This tweet from Murdo Fraser speaks volumes in terms of the thinking that underpins the political situation in Northern Ireland. Either Sinn Fein are now an accepted part of democracy functioning in Northern Ireland or they're not. If Murdo finds it so reprehensible that they be congratulated on their result, it's on the basis that he still sees them as Sinn Fein/IRA. If that's the case, why has the UK govt spent the last 24 years supporting the GFA - unless of course it's pat on the head patronising. If he's so dead set against people voting democratically in Northern Ireland, maybe he should start by protesting to his own party bosses instead of wanting to slaughter others. It's also more than fair to say the UK government is on very shaky ground when it comes to colluding with terrorists in Northern Ireland.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: It's also more than fair to say the UK government is on very shaky ground when it comes to colluding with terrorists in Northern Ireland.. It doesn't make much odds which side of the divide you were on - a lot of people died who shouldn't have so it's completely understandable that folk affected find this stuff difficult. The point for me though is that politically things have moved on and if Fraser doesn't accept that then he should get to f**k. Edited May 8, 2022 by HTG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 I think it's about time that Boris gave his Government's Minister for the Union a real kicking; talk about policies making things worse and failing to lay a glove on the SNP and pissing off NI's loyalists. Would be really funny to see him kicking lumps out of himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, HTG said: This tweet from Murdo Fraser speaks volumes in terms of the thinking that underpins the political situation in Northern Ireland. Either Sinn Fein are now an accepted part of democracy functioning in Northern Ireland or they're not. If Murdo finds it so reprehensible that they be congratulated on their result, it's on the basis that he still sees them as Sinn Fein/IRA. If that's the case, why has the UK govt spent the last 24 years supporting the GFA - unless of course it's pat on the head patronising. If he's so dead set against people voting democratically in Northern Ireland, maybe he should start by protesting to his own party bosses instead of wanting to slaughter others. In fairness I think the tweet shows what a thick c**t Murdo Fraser is. Of course will not be alone in having a very simplistic view of a very complex situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 hours ago, HTG said: This tweet from Murdo Fraser speaks volumes in terms of the thinking that underpins the political situation in Northern Ireland. Either Sinn Fein are now an accepted part of democracy functioning in Northern Ireland or they're not... How would the BNP fit in on that? Being on the ballot paper isn't enough to be treated as a fully accepted part of mainstream politics. It's normal for a cordon sanitaire to be applied to extremist parties like the AfD in Germany or Golden Dawn in Greece. When the GFA was signed it was the SDLP snd UUP that were expected to be in the drving seat not SF and the DUP. Coldly following protocol if voters in NI are misguided enough to vote SF in is one thing. Sending friendly tweets and that sort of headline is another and wasn't something the SNP needed to do. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 The absolute bin of a country where the losing side can effectively null and void the whole process, because the result didn't go their way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: The absolute bin of a country where the losing side can effectively null and void the whole process, because the result didn't go their way. Let's not forget that SF did something similar on collapsing Stormont in the not too distant past. Nicola Sturgeon and The National could have made congratulating the Alliance party and the rise of the moderate middle ground their main talking point. They chose not to. Maybe says something important about how the SNP view themselves. Edited May 8, 2022 by LongTimeLurker -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) How many decades will it take before offering Sinn Fein congratulations on winning a democratic election is considered uncontroversial? I thought the whole point of the peace process was to sway people away from violence to political action. Edited May 8, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Sturgeon must condemn - Failed Statelet edition. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Aye, and who negotiated the f****** thing? I took some time out (over an hour) to watch this the other day. Worth a watch if you want to know the details, which are complex: Edited May 8, 2022 by Duries Air Freshener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: How many decades will it take before offering Sinn Fein congratulations on winning a democratic election is considered uncontroversial? I thought the whole point of the peace process was to sway people away from violence to political action. 169 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LongTimeLurker Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, welshbairn said: How many decades will it take before offering Sinn Fein congratulations on winning a democratic election is considered uncontroversial? I thought the whole point of the peace process was to sway people away from violence to political action. So we all pretend SF is something it isn't and never mention the 500 lb gorilla in the room? Robert McCartney's murder happened well after Stormont was up and running again and paramilitary punishment beatings haven't gone away you know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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