LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 That's what always gets posted on here but Option Z being actively discussed through the PWG strongly suggests otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 The only place it gets actively discussed is in your imagination. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: That's what always gets posted on here but Option Z being actively discussed through the PWG strongly suggests otherwise. Do I really need to say that Option Z was only ever a TJ feverdream? It was a strategically placed filibuster designed to significantly muddy the waters.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Option Z came from Rod Petrie and Ian Maxwell of the SFA rather than Tom Johnston. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 PWG was on its last legs as they couldn't pass anything. They had a spitball session and kicked out FOUR ideas and even asked the leagues to canvas for ideas and overall feedback. The pyramid leagues just wanted a West league. The SJFA presented them as legit choices to vote on. The SPFL was never consulted. Which is why the PWG came to an end when they met next. Option Z is right up there with SPFL3 and 12-12-12-12. An idea cooked up in a room that was never close to being a reality. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: ...The SPFL was never consulted.... ^^^more map of Luncarty with a line through it level stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Rod Petrie and Ian Maxwell OK, so Rod Petrie and Ian Maxwell had a TJ feverdream. D'Oh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) The two top officeholders of the SFA, who later used the rule changes required for colt teams to enter the LL to force the LL to agree to the SPFL's Angus club driven agenda on the Tay Bridge boundary, which was also part of what Option Z was all about. Edited June 22, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South_Pride Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Would an East/West split at tier 5 work, merge the lowland, west, east and south leagues and have two tier 5 leagues of 16 with the line being between Shotts and Fauldhouse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, South_Pride said: Would an East/West split at tier 5 work, merge the lowland, west, east and south leagues and have two tier 5 leagues of 16 with the line being between Shotts and Fauldhouse? If SFA agreed then this would be a sensible solution - not only to the LL bottleneck but also to the population coverage inequity between HL & LL. Auto promotion from each league and decent entry to each tier 5 league 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, South_Pride said: Would an East/West split at tier 5 work, merge the lowland, west, east and south leagues and have two tier 5 leagues of 16 with the line being between Shotts and Fauldhouse? That's what Option Z revolved around with Tayside falling under LL East. The EoS and LL were opposed, but all the other stakeholders apparently were on board including the SPFL. Where it gets murky is that apparently the SFA were led to believe by the LL board that the LL would be OK with it but this subsequently turned out not to be the case when it went to the clubs at an LL general meeting. Edited June 22, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South_Pride Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: That's what Option Z revolved around with Tayside falling under LL East. The EoS and LL were opposed, but all the other stakeholders apparently were on board including the SPFL. Where it gets murky is that apparently the SFA were led to believe by the LL board that the LL would be OK with it but this subsequently turned out not to be the case when it went to the clubs at an LL general meeting. Obviously the population north of Edinburgh is higher than north of Glasgow but the amount of Ayrshire clubs should balance that out. For an organisation that has only existed for 10 or so years, and who’s member clubs are mostly the same age they certainly seem to be running the establishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: That's what Option Z revolved around with Tayside falling under LL East. The EoS and LL were opposed, but all the other stakeholders apparently were on board including the SPFL. Where it gets murky is that apparently the SFA were led to believe by the LL board that the LL would be OK with it but this subsequently turned out not to be the case when it went to the clubs at an LL general meeting. Or the same degree of hearsay applied to the SPFL "Where it gets murky is that apparently the SFA were led to believe by the SPFL board that the SPFL would be OK with it but this subsequently turned out not to be the case as nobody bothered asking the clubs." SPFL were never a part of the PWG meetings. Rod Petrie was there on behalf of the SFA and didn't sit on the SPFL Board. The SPFL clubs were never asked about it. As we would have heard of it just like every other indicative vote on reconstruction that's failed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On a general SJFA / Junior Cup note, I wonder if the Scottish Cup participants will be given a bye in the Junior Cup first round this time, as it looks like the opening rounds of both competitions will be on the same date (27 August) if we go by a gap in the Midlands League fixtures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On a general SJFA / Junior Cup note, I wonder if the Scottish Cup participants will be given a bye in the Junior Cup first round this time, as it looks like the opening rounds of both competitions will be on the same date (27 August) if we go by a gap in the Midlands League fixtures.Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) There's going to be a review of the pyramid through the PWG because of what the SFA had to promise LL clubs to get Hearts B shoehorned into the LL this season. Although the SFA consistently sided with the SJFA rather than the EoS in a PWG context once Petrie and Maxwell were running the show, I seriously doubt that will happen with this latest SJFA plan. The better approach to campaign for a third tier 5 league would probably be for the WoS to push for tier 5 status and access for its champion to the Club 42 playoffs. Edited June 22, 2022 by LongTimeLurker -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, glensmad said: 30 minutes ago, Ginaro said: On a general SJFA / Junior Cup note, I wonder if the Scottish Cup participants will be given a bye in the Junior Cup first round this time, as it looks like the opening rounds of both competitions will be on the same date (27 August) if we go by a gap in the Midlands League fixtures. Yes Why are they getting a bye - these clubs are choosing to have additional fixtures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: Why are they getting a bye - these clubs are choosing to have additional fixtures. Before last season clubs in the Scottish Cup got a bye anyway (suppose it's slightly different now as previously it was because they were SJFA qualifiers), but fairly sensible from the SJFA as it'll avoid scheduling headaches. Means all three competitions - Scottish, Junior and the Alex Jack / Alba / Strathclyde Cups - are on the same date. Though with the September round played on separates dates, you could still get EOS clubs having to forfeit if they have a league fixture. SJFA might want to get on with the draws... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: PWG was on its last legs as they couldn't pass anything. They had a spitball session and kicked out FOUR ideas and even asked the leagues to canvas for ideas and overall feedback. The pyramid leagues just wanted a West league. The SJFA presented them as legit choices to vote on. The SPFL was never consulted. Which is why the PWG came to an end when they met next. Option Z is right up there with SPFL3 and 12-12-12-12. An idea cooked up in a room that was never close to being a reality. Kinda sums it up. This is a rabbit LTL pulls out the hat now and again leaving you to think that it was discussed at a formal level within the SFA. However it was, and remains, a brain fart by Petrie alone, nothing more. The WRJFA were sold the lame duck of option Z and advised it's clubs it was the only solution to getting the WRJFA into the Pyramid. Nobody told them that neither the SPFL or the LL had been consulted and had zero chance of ever being discussed seriously let alone agreed. It was bombed out and then steps were taken to form a WoSFL. A three league tier 5 will not happen anytime soon. The LL won't even add a play-off relegation spot let alone agree to split itself West/East, and Petrie's brain fart isn't an indication of the SFA/SPFL/LL's long term plan, there isn't one. Edited June 22, 2022 by Burnieman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I think we overestimate sometimes at this level just how little we feature in the overall scheme of things in Scottish football. Tier 6 and below is a relative footnote in most people's knowledge of the league structure. I was talking to a Hurlford supporter a couple of weeks ago (pre-Darvel v Tranent) who didn't even know that the champions of the West had a play off against the East & South and the winners would enter the Lowland League. I don't know if that is a common lack of knowledge; if so then the whole debate over promotion/relegation at Tiers 5 and below is essentially just reduced to Club Chairmen and P&B posters and change will be a long time coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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