Bairnardo Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I envy oaksoft in some ways, having been so successful in unplugging himself from reality. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Not so sure about that. In 1990 I was paying about 33% of my disposable income on rent. Is it as bad as that now for most people? Those in cities on low incomes? Probably yes. Most people are probably paying less as a percentage though. 1980 the average was 12.5%. Maybe something happened to council housing between then and 1990? Turns out the cost of buying proportional to wages has roughly (just under) doubled over that time, so i was wrong about that. The relative cost of renting is up about 3.5 times though. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/bns/BN161.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwil6LqO8_34AhVKXsAKHfQrA7UQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2017D3pVwXRZaELvWqt7Kn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystercatcher Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I don't have kids. To suggest there is some sort of selfishness involved in this is offensive and archaic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Oystercatcher said: I don't have kids. To suggest there is some sort of selfishness involved in this is offensive and archaic. ^^^ ugly as f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystercatcher Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: ^^^ ugly as f**k. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 11 hours ago, ICTChris said: Falling birth rates and the implications for society have been in the news the last few weeks. Writing in the Sunday Times academic Paul Morland argued that reduced birth rates will cause huge issues for society in the future, including soaring care and health costs and labour shortages. Most controversially he suggested “negative tax credits” for those who don’t have children, ie a tax on the childless. here is Morlands article - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/should-we-tax-the-childless-j7h9c297r There was a response to this from Aaron Bastani, who wrote an article summarised in this thread Essentially arguing rather than blasting people without kids with taxes governments should invest and try to open up the housing market to improve the birth rate. To be fair to Morland, he does suggests similar in his piece. What do P&Bers think about birth rates? Should P&Bers who selfishly refuse to squeeze out a few kids have their assets stripped? have any P&Bers had enough children to qualify for a Ceacescu-style patriotic medal of procreation? I don’t really think about birth rates. Have kids or don’t have kids. If the government are that worried about it they should incentivise people by rewarding them for having kids. No. How many kids do you need to knock out for a medal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: The richer countries get, the lower the birth rate. Is that why the government are making everything so expensive? A poorer country is a shagging, baby-making country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Mrs. Soupe and I are unable to have children naturally for medical reasons, but we plan to adopt. At the beginning of February we got approval to adopt a child from Ukraine, which has turned out to be fantastic timing... Eventually we will get there 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Taxing folk who don't have kids is a tax on the poor/not well off (yet again!), those with mental illness and the sterile. Not a fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Just now, senorsoupe said: Mrs. Soupe and I are unable to have children naturally for medical reasons, but we plan to adopt. At the beginning of February we got approval to adopt a child from Ukraine, which has turned out to be fantastic timing... Eventually we will get there You and the wife are fine people! My younger brother and his husband have just recently been approved to adpot, so will be starting the process soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 46 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: I don’t really think about birth rates. Have kids or don’t have kids. If the government are that worried about it they should incentivise people by rewarding them for having kids. No. How many kids do you need to knock out for a medal? Our glorious leader has 7 so that’s the number to beat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Any potential taxes for not having children will be getting dodged by myself and my partner through any means possible, what a ridiculous idea. We don’t want kids because we want to not spend the most productive years of our lives (socially, financially, generally) tied down. Earth doesn’t need anymore humans, can’t wait for it all to be over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: "Darling hubby, shall we have unprotected sex tonight?" "Hang on sweetheart. Let me fire up my spreadsheet and check our post-tax outgoings first". If that’s the level of your writing then those films aren’t going to do shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Some new titles for Oaksoft: - Spread (your legs) sheet - HouseHole budget - Savings Asscount - Incumings and Outgoings - Moneyshot 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: A ton of choice for about £400-£500 pcm including shared accommodation, 1 bed... flats. Given we are talking about couples not wanting to have children, can you not perhaps see why the above may not exactly be suitable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I never cry about weather mate. Never. Not a big fan of wind though but only because I'm half way up a hill and keep losing tiles. BTW those suggested titles are hilarious. My favourite is HouseHole Budget. If you see a film called that anytime soon, you'll know where the idea came from. Thanks. I want a cut if it happens! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 9 hours ago, oaksoft said: I'm not convinced that it's about finances. I think that a lot of women are beginning to realise that life has a lot more to offer than just having children and sitting at home raising them like their parents and grandparents did. A hell of a lot more. And having kids simply gets in the way of all of that because widespread sexism in the home and society means that inevitably the woman gets dumped with the kids. IMO a lot of women are done with wasting their lives with that shite. Why do you think staying at home to look after kids is "wasting their lives"? I quit my job in December, had a wean 5 weeks ago and I'll be the stay at home dad for the foreseeable future. I don't see any of this pish you're talking about in society or at home, if that were the case I would likely receive backlash for not making my Mrs stay at home instead. We've had nothing but support from anyone we've spoken to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, oaksoft said: We've spoken before about the danger of taking "averages" too literally. Here's the reality - a brief survey of rental prices for flats in the Manchester area for example (I could pick any major town or city and get a similar result). A ton of choice for about £400-£500 pcm including shared accommodation, 1 bed and 2 bed flats. This is considerably less than 33% of the average take-home pay. Properties To Rent in Greater Manchester | Rightmove Obviously if people are going to include city centre flats or take a flat bigger than they need, that rental price will go up. Nobody is going to persuade me that things are tougher now than they were in the 80s and 90s. Can't argue with stats like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: I want a cut if it happens! Is it a Jewish porno? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, oaksoft said: A growing number of women absolutely do hold this view and they are perfectly entitled to hold that view. A lot of them are silent because they are under tremendous pressure to get sprogged-up from friends, family and wider society. What are you basing this on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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