DukDukGoose Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 As far as I'm aware, Aberdeen have failed at every hurdle that our seeding suggests we would. We should have beaten Maribor, every other team was just better. We're competing with English Leagues for players. I saw we were criticised for having too many foreigners in our line up against St Mirren. Unless it's youngsters you've taken through, most of the Scottish players we can afford just won't cut it at European level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletchers Saucy Manbun Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said: Players that make off the ball runs are almost like genius level gods in Scottish football. I watched Match of the Day for the first time in a couple of seasons last week and the thing that really stood out for me was how hard virtually every player worked off the ball. Forget about the technique aspect of football, our players are just fucking lazy as well. Most of the guys in our league are plodders seeing out time like they were photocopying in an office. Fitness levels are noticeably comparatively poor. Then again, athleticism is such a core requirement for good players now that the best athletes are snapped up by English teams. You're right about laziness too. As well as geniuses able to make off the ball runs, it's some level of genius tracking these players too. Watching the two games against AZ Alkmaar, United could not handle their off the ball runs, boys ended up running into miles of free space again and again. All-in-all though, we're just about in the right place in the money chain and therefore food chain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Europe these days is a bit of a jolly and a chance for diddy clubs to play some "exotic" preseason warm up games. Nothing more, nothing less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 The first step is acceptance. We need to realise the standard of the Scottish Premiership, outside the Top 2 of course, is absolutely desperately bad.I mean, I feel I already largely accept this. What I’m struggling to accept is that we are somehow worse than the teams from the nations I mentioned in my other post. I think Scottish clubs have a negative mentality. For example, teams consistently fail to hold out for a good result against the OF in the league. Look at Ross County the other weekend, held out until the 80 something minute and then their arses completely collapsed. We’ve seen it so many times before. Clubs are unable to hold onto a lead and either blow it in the final minutes or lose their lead early on and proceed to get scudded by several goals. It seems in Europe we are afraid to play against teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 44 minutes ago, Portmahomack Saint said: So what does that tell you... That you were wrong to include the Celtic/Red Imps example in your argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portmahomack Saint Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, TheScarf said: That you were wrong to include the Celtic/Red Imps example in your argument. Awrite I must be mistaken then was sure that Red imps with a Policeman Fireman and taxi driver beat Celtic 1-0 Did I hit a wee nerve there Mr Caley fan And beating Red Imps over 2 legs 3-1 isn't exactly a thrashing is it Edited August 12, 2022 by Portmahomack Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Portmahomack Saint said: Awrite I must be mistaken then was sure that Red imps with a Policeman Fireman and taxi driver beat Celtic 1-0 Did I hit a wee nerve there Mr Caley fan And beating Red Imps over 2 legs 3-1 isn't exactly a thrashing is it This thread is about Scottish clubs being knocked out by shitter teams. Can you point out where Celtic v Lincoln Red Imps falls into that category? Also, what does who I support have anything to do with it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 A better TV deal would probably be a start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) More owners interested in sportswashing, and none of these Americans that think Scottish football can be a smart investment. Edited August 12, 2022 by FairWeatherFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Looking at the club rankings, Rangers are around the level of Lazio, Slavia Prague, Dinamo Zagreb and Braga. Celtic are around the level of Rennes, PSV, Besiktas and CSKA Moscow. The only other Scottish team who have played regularly in Europe is Aberdeen, whose performances have them ranked around Flora Tallin, Dundalk, Lugano and Shkendija. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Stop framing Scottish teams getting pumped in Europe as a national embarrassment and just enjoy it for the hilarity it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptie Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Most Scottish players lack of technique is appalling if you can't control the ball instantly without needing to take three touches first you are always going to struggle and no amount of running about is gonna make up for that. Don't really understand why we haven't fixed that with all the training kids get these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 We'll never make progress in Europe until we scrap colt teams. Been holding us back for year(s). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Maybe stop ploughing loads of cash on poor foreign players ....and use that money to produce and employ full time youth coaches who can work on producing quality Scottish talent?And then continue to allow the OF to hoover up said talent and hide them away given them no fucking chance of progressing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundHoppingBear Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Teams defending for their lives for a point 8 times a season doesn’t really give them the best experience to play in Europe. But going from the other thread it’s much easier to blame the OF than it is to take a bit of responsibility. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Theres only one answer and its an anagram of this: OTFF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, GroundHoppingBear said: Teams defending for their lives for a point 8 times a season doesn’t really give them the best experience to play in Europe. But going from the other thread it’s much easier to blame the OF than it is to take a bit of responsibility. What do they do the other 30 games? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredFlintsone Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 hours ago, jamamafegan said: I agree with you but it hasn’t always been this way. There is something seriously wrong when we are being turfed out by teams from places like Ireland, Wales, Lithuania, Armenia, Malta and Romania Romania don't belong on that list. They have a European cup winner. Although having said that Celtic got knocked out in the Champions League qualifiers by Cluj, a team with a home support of 5,000, a few years back. Agree with the rest though. Killie getting knocked out by the Nomads and Motherwell losing home and away to Sligo beggars belief to be honest. Celtic have massively underperformed the last 15 years given the size of their club. Failing to win a single knockout tie is laughable and demolitions to Paris St Germain just makes the Scottish league look so poor.. I really fear for Hearts and Celtic in Europe this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 Celtic have massively underperformed the last 15 years given the size of their club. Failing to win a single knockout tie is laughable and demolitions to Paris St Germain just makes the Scottish league look so poor.. I really fear for Hearts and Celtic in Europe this season. This thread doesn’t concern either Celtic or Rangers - this is about the rest of the clubs in the top flight. The OF manage to consistently get to the group stages and get decent results in Europe. I don’t care about them because they aren’t a good measure of how successful Scottish football is or isn’t. I am only concerned with the “diddy” clubs performances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredFlintsone Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Larne beat a Danish side last year. I suspect all the countries (with say 4M to 8M populations) have weak 3rd, 4th, 5th teams. What I dont understand is how a side like Sheriff Tirapsol can beat Real home and away. Or even the best side in the Arctic Circle, Bodo Glimt, can outperform so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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