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I have to say I've been quite bemused by the reaction to Jerry Springer's death in the media here. Jeremy Kyle is vilified for the way he treated guests - and by extension a specific class of people in the UK - yet any clip you see from Springer's show features much more extreme stories, and actively encourages the guests to fight and sits them down to be insulted by the audience. Springer seemed to get away with it because he was a bit more genial when he spoke to people and he said take care of yourself at the end of programmes. 

I'm sure it's funnier when it's Americans doing it but there's really very little difference between the two.

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2 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

I have to say I've been quite bemused by the reaction to Jerry Springer's death in the media here. Jeremy Kyle is vilified for the way he treated guests - and by extension a specific class of people in the UK - yet any clip you see from Springer's show features much more extreme stories, and actively encourages the guests to fight and sits them down to be insulted by the audience. Springer seemed to get away with it because he was a bit more genial when he spoke to people and he said take care of yourself at the end of programmes. 

I'm sure it's funnier when it's Americans doing it but there's really very little difference between the two.

Springer was the first. Loads of poor imitations came after him (Ricki Lake, Maury, Etc) 

Even here we had Vanessa Feltz and Tricia Goddard before Kyle. 

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Week 17 update

Three deaths this week. First, singer Harry Belafonte: Harry Belafonte, singer, actor and tireless activist, dies aged 96 | Music | The Guardian

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Harry Belafonte, the singer, actor and civil rights activist who broke down racial barriers, has died aged 96.

As well as performing global hits such as Day-O (The Banana Boat Song), winning a Tony award for acting and appearing in numerous feature films, Belafonte spent his life fighting for a variety of causes. He bankrolled numerous 1960s initiatives to bring civil rights to Black Americans; campaigned against poverty, apartheid and Aids in Africa; and supported leftwing political figures such as Cuba’s Fidel Castro and Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez.

Belafonte was born in 1927 in working-class Harlem, New York, and spent eight years of his childhood in his impoverished parents’ native Jamaica. He returned to New York for high school but struggled with dyslexia and dropped out in his early teens. He took odd jobs working in markets and the city’s garment district, and then signed up to the US navy aged 17 in March 1944, working as a munitions loader at a base in New Jersey.

After the war ended, he worked as a janitor’s assistant, but aspired to become an actor after watching plays at New York’s American Negro Theatre (along with fellow aspiring actor Sidney Poitier). He took acting classes – where his classmates included Marlon Brando and Walter Matthau – paid for by singing folk, pop and jazz numbers at New York club gigs, where he was backed by groups whose members included Miles Davis and Charlie Parker.

Are you singing the song yet?

Belafonte died at 96, so he's worth 29 Base Points for @BillyAnchor, @German Jag, @Moomintroll and @superbigal.

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Isn't it funny how you could have two deaths in one week where the people left indelible marks on western culture, but for very, very, very different reasons? Jerry Springer: Jerry Springer obituary | US television | The Guardian

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For the better part of three decades, The Jerry Springer Show took the talkshow format into increasingly outlandish areas. Springer, who has died aged 79 of pancreatic cancer, presided over what amounted to a three-ring circus, as guests revealed a steady stream of betrayal in relationships they seemed to model on tawdry pulp novels and porn films.

This led to a cycle of what the writer David Sedaris described as “championship wrestling in street clothes … Curse, fight, disentangle. Curse, fight, disentangle … repeated with tedious precision”. Meanwhile, the studio audience would be pumping fists in the air, chanting “Jer-ee! Jer-ee!” while, just outside the fray, stood Springer, at once bemused by the antics and aghast at the way his guests treated each other.

Not just the ringmaster, Springer also tried to play the empathetic therapist, like Oprah Winfrey, but in a bar brawl. “The truth is, in most cases, we get treated the way we permit ourselves to be treated,” he told us, and each show ended with Jerry advising us to “take care of yourselves, and each other”.

The formula worked. The Springer show ran from 1991 until 2018, nearly 5,000 episodes, and, at its peak in the late 1990s, passed Oprah as the most-watched daytime talkshow. It wasn’t the first of its kind: Geraldo Rivera had evolved from news to trash, while Jenny Jones specialised in revealing guests’ sexual secrets. But Springer’s appeal to chaos influenced countless imitators, and, more crucially, the rise of so-called reality television, in which contestants chosen for their exhibitionism tried to outdo each other in humiliations and conflicts created and scripted by the producers.

I posted as much earlier, but I have a hard time thinking positively of someone who fronted five thousand episodes of this nonsense. That obituary ends with a quote from him: “Television does not and must not create values; it’s merely a picture of all that’s out there – the good, the bad and the ugly.” I realise I may sound like a hypocrite when I say that the audience and participants don't necessarily always remember that, but I think this is a very naive way of understanding how media has shaped society.

Springer died at 79 so he's worth 46 Base Points for @Ray Patterson, with a Solo Shot giving him 96 in total.

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I forgot anyone picked him but this week we also have dancing man Len Goodman: Len Goodman: Strictly Come Dancing and Dancing with the Stars judge dies at 78 - BBC News

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Former Strictly Come Dancing head judge Len Goodman has died at the age of 78.

He died on Saturday at a hospice in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, surrounded by his family. He had had bone cancer.

A former dancer himself, he featured on Strictly from its launch in 2004 until 2016 and proved popular with viewers for his wry humour and avuncular critiques.

His enthusiastic delivery when awarding a score of seven points effectively turned the number into his catchphrase, along with "it's a 10 from Len" for those even more deserving contestants on the popular celebrity dancing show.

The cultural impact of Strictly Come Dancing is something that has passed me by, but he seems like he was alright.

Goodman died at 78 so he's worth 47 Base Points, with a Solo Shot giving @weemac 97 points in total.

As a result, the standings look like this:

1. JustOneCornetto 309
2. The Naitch 208
3. Arbroathlegend36-0 198
4. buddiepaul 194
5. LoonsYouthTeam 187
6. psv_killie 185
7. peasy23 165
8. The DA 153
9. Desp, Ned Nederlander 151
11. Karpaty Lviv 145
12. Sweaty Morph 140
13. get_the_subbies_on 138
14. Arabdownunder, Bully Wee Villa, cdhafc1874, D.V.T., Frosty, HK Hibee, Mark Connolly, microdave, qos_75, throbber, weirdcal 134
25. Donathan 121
26. tamthebam 111
27. Arch Stanton, Ludo*1, mozam76 101
30. Aim Here, weemac 97
32. Ray Patterson 96
33. Miguel Sanchez 87
34. ParsJake 86
35. George Cowley, Billy Jean King, Indale Winton, sparky88 84
39. ICTJohnboy 69
40. paulathame 68
41. atfccfc, chomp my root, DG.Roma, Fuctifano, gkneil, HI HAT, lichtgilphead, Lofarl, lolls, Michael W, pub car king, The_Craig, thistledo 67
54. Oystercatcher 65
55. sleazy 55
56. Savage Henry 54
57. HTG 34
58. Marlo Stanfield, Melanius Mullarkay, Suspect Device 32
61. amnarab, choirbairn, Derry Alli, expatowner, stanton 31
65. BillyAnchor, German Jag, Moomintroll, superbigal 29
69. Everyone else 0

The spreadsheet has also been updated with these scores: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RxCIfczRUmrRrW79tUQ0vJ5KaHZpYENsTKmDqW4X3W4/edit?usp=sharing

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53 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Week 17 update

Two deaths this week. First, singer Harry Belafonte: Harry Belafonte, singer, actor and tireless activist, dies aged 96 | Music | The Guardian

Are you singing the song yet?

Belafonte died at 96, so he's worth 29 Base Points for @BillyAnchor, @German Jag, @Moomintroll and @superbigal.

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Isn't it funny how you could have two deaths in one week where the people left indelible marks on western culture, but for very, very, very different reasons? Jerry Springer: Jerry Springer obituary | US television | The Guardian

I posted as much earlier, but I have a hard time thinking positively of someone who fronted five thousand episodes of this nonsense. That obituary ends with a quote from him: “Television does not and must not create values; it’s merely a picture of all that’s out there – the good, the bad and the ugly.” I realise I may sound like a hypocrite when I say that the audience and participants don't necessarily always remember that, but I think this is a very naive way of understanding how media has shaped society.

Springer died at 79 so he's worth 46 Base Points for @Ray Patterson, with a Solo Shot giving him 96 in total.

As a result, the standings look like this:

1. JustOneCornetto 309
2. The Naitch 208
3. Arbroathlegend36-0 198
4. buddiepaul 194
5. LoonsYouthTeam 187
6. psv_killie 185
7. peasy23 165
8. The DA 153
9. Desp, Ned Nederlander 151
11. Karpaty Lviv 145
12. Sweaty Morph 140
13. get_the_subbies_on 138
14. Arabdownunder, Bully Wee Villa, cdhafc1874, D.V.T., Frosty, HK Hibee, Mark Connolly, microdave, qos_75, throbber, weirdcal 134
25. Donathan 121
26. tamthebam 111
27. Arch Stanton, Ludo*1, mozam76 101
30. Aim Here 97
31. Ray Patterson 96
32. Miguel Sanchez 87
33. ParsJake 86
34. George Cowley, Billy Jean King, Indale Winton, sparky88 84
38. ICTJohnboy 69
39. paulathame 68
40. atfccfc, chomp my root, DG.Roma, Fuctifano, gkneil, HI HAT, lichtgilphead, Lofarl, lolls, Michael W, pub car king, The_Craig, thistledo 67
53. Oystercatcher 65
54. sleazy 55
55. Savage Henry 54
56. HTG 34
57. Marlo Stanfield, Melanius Mullarkay, Suspect Device 32
60. amnarab, choirbairn, Derry Alli, expatowner, stanton 31
64. BillyAnchor, German Jag, Moomintroll, superbigal 29
68. Everyone else 0

The spreadsheet has also been updated with these scores: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RxCIfczRUmrRrW79tUQ0vJ5KaHZpYENsTKmDqW4X3W4/edit?usp=sharing

So did Len Goodman get better then? I don't see any news stories suggesting his obituaries were premature.

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