Gaz Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Iain said: This is a unionist fantasy Let me rephrase that. There isn’t *enough* genuine appetite for independence. Nowhere near enough to win a referendum. Edited February 21, 2023 by Gaz -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Regan pitching as the 'sensible' economic and social middle ground between Forbes and Humza while throwing a bit red meat to the UDI/defacto crowd might give her a very good chance of winning this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gaz said: Let me rephrase that. There isn’t *enough* genuine appetite for independence. Nowhere near enough to win an election. When the baby boomers snuff it there will be Circa 2029 I reckon, 15 years, a generation from the first vote Maybe in just enough time to salvage our renewables wealth Edited February 21, 2023 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, renton said: Really? Just a feeling I've got 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, Gaz said: IMO the SNP are fucked. Independence has clearly been the glue holding the various factions together over the past 15 years. Now that it’s looking virtually impossible there’s nothing to stop the Right, Centre and Left wings going to all-out-war with each other. I reckon the best thing they could do to stop completely imploding is to acknowledge that there isn’t any genuine appetite for independence and put a hold to campaigning for it for, say, ten years, and say that they want to work productively with cross-party colleagues in WM and HR. Like how the warring Tories recognised there was no genuine appetite for Brexit in the early 2010s and so put their differences aside whilst they productively worked with their colleagues in Westminster and Brussels? The irony of course is that the EU actually did welcome a collegiate approach. Westminster didn’t and doesn’t. It simply wants to rule what it considers regions and to be independent of political union, not work with either. No Scottish government* can work productively with a UK government which has no interest in anything other than a supine puppet assembly. * Well, a UK nationalist party one already ruled from London might be happy to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Humza is actually alright in real life. Met him a couple of times. That’s as much of an endorsement as I can offer. The man saw fit to (attempt to) use a knee scooter in public when he knew the TV cameras would be on him. End of discussion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibee_Hibernian Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Regen winning would be worse for the country than Forbes. If there was any appetite for Alba party policies people would’ve voted for them at the last election. She’d be fighting every election as a referendum and on the basis of the right wing route she’d be taking the SNP would have absolutely no chance of getting close to half the vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Dave Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: I think Forbes was promoted and had to announce the budget on the same day Mackay resigned, so I think Sturgeon just went for what seemed like a steady of pair of hands at short notice. Fair, I'll admit she's preferred to a nonce. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tartan Dave said: Hold on a minute King is that... is that Angus Robertson's music. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 What an endorsement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tartan Dave said: Edited February 21, 2023 by Miguel Sanchez 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I’m pretty relaxed about Regan, I don’t think she’s got any chance of winning. I think that most of her support base have left the SNP already - hence why her and Cherry were moaning about them not getting a vote. This could be me talking absolute shite though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: What an endorsement Kate Forbes, the MSP for Skye, Lochaber and Kemi Badenoch 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Binos said: When the baby boomers snuff it there will be Circa 2029 I reckon, 15 years, a generation from the first vote Maybe in just enough time to salvage our renewables wealth 9 years, and folk don't want it enough nor are the SNP radical enough to push it on. More Anglo retirees, lukewarm independence supporters now in their 40s-50s might not even be that bothered about it. Any second referendum will be very close. No chance yes will get anything like 65-70% Edited February 21, 2023 by Kejan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kejan said: 9 years, and folk don't want it enough nor are the SNP radical enough to push it on. More Anglo retirees, lukewarm independence supporters now in their 40s-50s might not even be that bothered about it. Any second referendum will be very close. No chance yes will get anything like 65-70% Folk won’t want it - or anything else - until they’re encouraged to want it and presented persuasively with the arguments for it. That’s where a more radical and forceful SNP is needed - not one that is happy to play by the UK’s rules (especially now it’s clear the UK makes them up as it goes along). The UK has shown its contempt for Scottish democracy and so a Scottish national party should show its contempt for the UK and its constitutional stitch-up right back. Sturgeon’s problem was that when whenever the UK moved the goalposts or shafted Scotland’s democratically-expressed national voice, she was never really able to capitalise on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Tartan Dave said: I would suggest some people have looked at the situation and saw that Humza was going to walk it based on how it has gone so far. And it would be a complete disaster. Even if he wins in the end it is better to have a proper contest instead of whatever the f**k is happening right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Tartan Dave said: It's me and I promise to build monorails across every major town and city in Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: It's me and I promise to build monorails across every major town and city in Scotland. Worked for North Haverbrook, you got my vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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