Goomba Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Jeff Venom said: That certainly answers the second part of my post. Perhaps I should've asked why should/does anyone care? Because a party lying about it's membership figures is more than a bit dodgy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goomba Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: When we want the joke opinions of a sock puppet account, we'll be sure to ask. Run along now. Play nice Benjamin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 hours ago, AyrExile said: A large swing in members either way would surely have a bearing in choosing a continuity candidate or a fresh face. I've yet to meet many people that rate Humza and he's now looking at a rebuild than carrying on a successful model Liz Lloyd leaving abruptly would suggest there is truth in the story. Point 4 i will agree on though the innocent until proven guilty rule should switch here due to lack of transparency Well, no. Why would it? I was happy with Humza when we had 4 times as many members as the next biggest party but now its only 3 times I'm switching to that moonhowler in the shite jacket? I dont think the number of members overall makes a difference. That was the number going into this, and presumably is how many ballots were sent out, regardless of whatever shite SNP HQ were saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Add “overt racist” to that as well. I'm really angry that I found all 3 of his candidate videos funny. Forbes mostly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, AyrExile said: A large swing in members either way would surely have a bearing in choosing a continuity candidate or a fresh face. I've yet to meet many people that rate Humza and he's now looking at a rebuild than carrying on a successful model Liz Lloyd leaving abruptly would suggest there is truth in the story. Point 4 i will agree on though the innocent until proven guilty rule should switch here due to lack of transparency The only reason to call a halt to an election and restart it from scratch is some kind of procedural failing relating to casting votes which calls the legitimacy of whole process into question. No such issue exists, which is why the only candidate calling for this is the one who'll do well to get 10% of the vote and is only standing as a wrecker in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Nicola says the party is not a mess - that's him telt !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 There's a slight case for restarting the election but it's probably a terrible idea. Get someone in place and try to draw a line under the mess. Dragging it out for another month will only make it worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Marlo Stanfield said: There's a slight case for restarting the election but it's probably a terrible idea. Get someone in place and try to draw a line under the mess. Dragging it out for another month will only make it worse. Holding a new ballot wouldn't mean starting the campaign again, it could probably be done by Monday as planned. A lot easier than allowing people to edit their votes anyway, I would have thought, and as Regan wants. Edited March 20, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 "Cunning plan by Sturgeonistas to keep FM in situ as election campaign restarted" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I guess the issue is how many people ineligible to vote have actually voted? Anecdotally, the membership list they are using is clearly shambolic. With a number of lengthy lapsed members being able to vote in the contest. They really ought to weed those votes out. If they could do that and ensure only those eligible to vote actually voted then I see no reason to re-ballot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Trogdor said: I guess the issue is how many people ineligible to vote have actually voted? Anecdotally, the membership list they are using is clearly shambolic. With a number of lengthy lapsed members being able to vote in the contest. They really ought to weed those votes out. If they could do that and ensure only those eligible to vote actually voted then I see no reason to re-ballot. I'm part of the 30000 number and haven't received anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Watched the LBC debate. Anyone still voting Humza Yousaf after that needs their head looked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 It would be genuinely funny if the contest was re-run with Yousaf winning by more and that lunatic Regan getting an Alba-esque 1.66% tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: The only reason to call a halt to an election and restart it from scratch is some kind of procedural failing relating to casting votes which calls the legitimacy of whole process into question. No such issue exists, which is why the only candidate calling for this is the one who'll do well to get 10% of the vote and is only standing as a wrecker in the first place. Yeah, I think this is nonsense. There's at least one major failing with the voting process, in that seemingly thousands of people who are no longer members have been given a vote they are not entitled to. The SNP now "admit" to 72.1k members and also previously said they'd sent out 78k ballots. You posted in another message that "that's the correct number whatever nonsense SNP HQ were putting out", or words to similar effect. Let's be clear: SNP HQ is the entity which has admitted to 72.1k now. SNP HQ is also the entity which sent 78k names to Mi-Voice, who turned round and reported that this was the size of the electorate they had been given. As SNP HQ was the source of each number, you cannot seriously now expect everyone to take one number as authoritative and the other, also issued by them, as "nonsense". But if 78,000 ballots have indeed been sent out for 71.2k members then near enough 8% of the entire selectorate had no right to a vote. So, yeah, there is at least one problem with the voting process and it should be fixed if the whole thing isn't to look like a sham. If you're going to make rules, they need to be enforced properly and not on the basis that Dunning1874 thinks it's ok so long as the coalition with the Greens isn't endangered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: The SNP now "admit" to 72.1k members and also previously said they'd sent out 78k ballots. You posted in another message that "that's the correct number whatever nonsense SNP HQ were putting out", or words to similar effect. Let's be clear: SNP HQ is the entity which has admitted to 72.1k now. SNP HQ is also the entity which sent 78k names to Mi-Voice, who turned round and reported that this was the size of the electorate they had been given. As SNP HQ was the source of each number, you cannot seriously now expect everyone to take one number as authoritative and the other, also issued by them, as "nonsense". But if 78,000 ballots have indeed been sent out for 71.2k members then near enough 8% of the entire selectorate had no right to a vote. I've clearly missed this: where did Mi-Voice or the SNP confirm there were 78,000 ballots? If that's the case then yes, the process should absolutely be restarted with all ineligible voters removed and those responsible for providing the incorrect figure removed from their positions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I doubt if they have a definitive number for members, people who've been issued a new debit card and haven't updated, or moved or changed emails won't be kicked out of the party straight away. Some of the email ballots sent out by Mi-Voice will come back as undeliverable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Some of the email ballots sent out by Mi-Voice will come back as undeliverable. Is this some kind of tenuous justification for how votes cast should just about balance out, and it all fine then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Abdul_Latif said: Is this some kind of tenuous justification for how votes cast should just about balance out, and it all fine then? No, I don't see how the number of members would affect the result. Edited March 21, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: No, I don't see how the number of members would affect the result. If more ballots have been sent than active members, there is clearly an issue with the process and it has to be null and voided. I can’t see that any other argument / justification is valid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Abdul_Latif said: If more ballots have been sent than active members, there is clearly an issue with the process and it has to be null and voided. I can’t see that any other argument / justification is valid. I'm sure that's the case in every election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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