Iain Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, virginton said: It's not a question of can but should. Spending money and yet more political capital on a fringe issue of no priority to the vast majority of the Scottish people is a terrible look. The SG is not exactly free of other issues it could be tackling in society right now and will be punished by the electorate for showing the 'wrong' priorities. Minority rights are never a priority for most people. They still need to be advanced whenever possible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, Iain said: Minority rights are never a priority for most people. They still need to be advanced whenever possible. It's possible to win this proposed court case but is it likely? I'm confident Labour's current anti-trans stance will soften significantly once they (most likely) defeat the Tories in the next election. A similar bill could be tried again after that point and will probably get Labour government backing in Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: It's possible to win this proposed court case but is it likely? I'm confident Labour's current anti-trans stance will soften significantly once they (most likely) defeat the Tories in the next election. A similar bill could be tried again after that point and will probably get Labour government backing in Westminster. The court case won't be decided until after the next general election anyway, I think it was important to set the appeal in motion, this week was the last opportunity to do so. You can't just accept Westminster blocking a 2/3rds majority in Holyrood over a devolved matter, especially on such flimsy grounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The court case won't be decided until after the next general election anyway, I think it was important to set the appeal in motion, this week was the last opportunity to do so. You can't just accept Westminster blocking a 2/3rds majority in Holyrood over a devolved matter, especially on such flimsy grounds. Ok, I didn't realise that about the length of time it'd take. I agree on the section 35 aspect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: Ok, I didn't realise that about the length of time it'd take. I agree on the section 35 aspect. I think the delay is quite fortuitous, gives time for the hysteria to settle down and some of the misunderstandings, exaggerations and blatant lies about the actual differences the GRR bill would make compared to the situation now. Edited April 14, 2023 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I think the delay is quite fortuitous, gives time for the hysteria to settle down and some of the misunderstandings, exaggerations and blatant lies about the actual differences the GRR bill would make compared to the situation now. I'm not so sure - another 18 months of inaccurate bullshit and downright lies in the MSM more likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 can work either way, it can give time for it die down or some compromise is reached or its a constant stream of negativity and focus away from other topics 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I'm not so sure - another 18 months of inaccurate bullshit and downright lies in the MSM more likely. Isn’t it likely to become irrelevant anyway cause of the amendments to the EA and birth sex as a defined / protected characteristic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 10 hours ago, StellarHibee said: Your Conservative Party seems to think that it is. Just look at their Judicial Review and Courts bill which allows them to overrule court decisions that they don't like. You have to be constitutionally tin-eared to think that a court holding a government to account is, to quote you, "shambolic". That you cite the equally constitutionally tin-eared Conservative party to support you just confirms this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You have to be constitutionally tin-eared to think that a court holding a government to account is, to quote you, "shambolic". That you cite the equally constitutionally tin-eared Conservative party to support you just confirms this. You say that a government bill having to go through the courts isn't shambolic, while actively supporting a party that implemented a bill (with no legal scrutiny), that effectively allows them to overrule decisions taken by judge and jury that may attempt to block any future bills that they implement. Cognitive dissonance is a real struggle for you I see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 32 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: You say that a government bill having to go through the courts isn't shambolic, while actively supporting a party that implemented a bill (with no legal scrutiny), that effectively allows them to overrule decisions taken by judge and jury that may attempt to block any future bills that they implement. I've said, umpteen times on here, that I've not voted for the Conservative party for years. Indeed, here's a post I made in June of 2021 which pretty-much writes the script that the neds, boors and Shinners of Nationalism have acted out over recent weeks: On 18/06/2021 at 19:56, The_Kincardine said: As I have said a few times, I haven't voted Tory in local or national elections since Boris became party leader. I don't like Brexit, I don't like him and I don't like his government so, naturally, I adjust my vote accordingly. I was impressed with Sarah Green's campaign - as mentioned on the quiz thread - and delighted with her win yesterday and was pleased to send just a small message of, "We don't like who you are or what you're doing" to the government. This is in sharp contrast to the daft wee tartan gonks on here that you identify with who, faced with a deeply incompetent government and a duplicitous and monomaniacal FM decided in May that what Scotland needs is five more years of The Murrells supported by Humza, James Dornan and John Swinney. Their message to the government? "We're mushrooms. We've been kept in the dark and fed shit for years. Five more years of it, please." I take no pleasure* in assessing the ignorance and short-sightedness of P&B's DWTGs. *every pleasure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I've said, umpteen times on here, that I've not voted for the Conservative party for years. There hasn't been a UK general election for years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: There hasn't been a UK general election for years. "I haven't voted Tory in local or national elections since Boris became party leader." That includes the Amersham and Chesham by-election which returned the fragrant Sarah Green (LibDem) to the commons. Do keep up, SloMo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: the fragrant Sarah Green Yeah, not creepy at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: Yeah, not creepy at all. Just a simple moniker like, "The vacuous Jupe". Something we all agree on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Just a simple moniker like, "The vacuous Jupe". Something we all agree on. *Hic* Shit, sorry used some asterisks there. Hope this doesn't result in you abusing the report function again Edited April 14, 2023 by Benjamin_Nevis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: *Hic* Shit, sorry used some asterisks there. Hope this doesn't result in you abusing the report function again ^^^Another obsessive wee NatWit who loves to post about posters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: ^^^Another obsessive wee NatWit who loves to post about posters. You OK h... man? I mean you normally don't devolve into a seething mess until like 2am or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: You OK h... man? I mean you normally don't devolve into a seething mess until like 2am or something. Sit down, roaster. You've nothing to offer but ignorance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Just a simple moniker like, "The vacuous Jupe". Something we all agree on. Like The Gincardine? (I know - you're going to tell me that you're a beer man). Edited April 14, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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