The Very Meh Humza Yousaf Thread.

[RuMoore]

30 minutes ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said:

I’m sure Granny Danger voted Brexit and then fucked off to live in Spain. Morally bankrupt hypocrite. 

That position would be relatively acceptable if you didn't then spend half your time slagging off people that live in Scotland for not being subservient to grievance politics and basing their whole political engagement around such things like being inconvenienced  by "imposed Brexit" when you actually voted for it. 

[GTee]

Hilarious that folk think Westminster will solve the crap.  As someone once said. Bring it on. The only country on the planet that relies on its larger neighbour to survive

[ClydeTon]

The most important thing about the by-election wasn't Labour's margin of victory, it was the turnout.

Labour only won 17,845 votes.

In 2019, Labour had 18,545.

That's a fall of 700...

The reason the SNP lost is because the SNP vote in Rutherglen stayed home. The SNP is a shambles, therefore, don't earn the vote. However, the average SNP voter won't back a Unionist party like Labour, so they just don't vote.

Just like Labour at a UK level - they aren't offering anything to win votes (if anything they actively push people away), they rely solely on the collapse of their rivals - in England the Tories, up here, the SNP. The only exception is Wales, where Labour enjoy enough popular support to maintain power. Just.

The best thing Humza could do, and the best option for the SNP, is to resign before he - like he has in every other job he's done in government - makes an arse of it.

The best thing for the independence movement would be an SNP tanking in the next GE, Humza gets punted, and the SNP do a clean out. Although, that could easily go bottom up.

Either way, Humza needs punted, fast.

[vikingTON]

4 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

That said the option facing anyone at an election is to vote for the least worst option.  How the people in Scotland can think that a Starmer led government is the least worst option defies logic.

 

You voted for Brexit you monumental fud. 

[Aufc]

11 hours ago, StellarHibee said:

But are completely incapable of seeing through the "alternatives". Despite how blatantly worse they are?

Imagine having been an SNP voter for the past decade or so, then suddenly coming to the conclusion that Starmer's more tory than the tory party is the way forward.

Yep, they're really "seeing through it" right enough.

I am at the stage where I will probably not vote. They are all fucking useless. Selfishly, no matter who gets voted in will really not make a huge difference to me as I’ll be fine. Quite sad really

[GTee]

28 minutes ago, ClydeTon said:

The most important thing about the by-election wasn't Labour's margin of victory, it was the turnout.

Labour only won 17,845 votes.

In 2019, Labour had 18,545.

That's a fall of 700...

The reason the SNP lost is because the SNP vote in Rutherglen stayed home. The SNP is a shambles, therefore, don't earn the vote. However, the average SNP voter won't back a Unionist party like Labour, so they just don't vote.

Just like Labour at a UK level - they aren't offering anything to win votes (if anything they actively push people away), they rely solely on the collapse of their rivals - in England the Tories, up here, the SNP. The only exception is Wales, where Labour enjoy enough popular support to maintain power. Just.

The best thing Humza could do, and the best option for the SNP, is to resign before he - like he has in every other job he's done in government - makes an arse of it.

The best thing for the independence movement would be an SNP tanking in the next GE, Humza gets punted, and the SNP do a clean out. Although, that could easily go bottom up.

Either way, Humza needs punted, fast.

Any ideas what would be best for the Independence movement?

Rangers dying again maybe .

Westminster won't allow another vote I'd they think they'll lose. 

Crazy to think because we are a massive financial burden. 

[Lex]

It’s when, not if.
He either goes now or he goes after the GE collapse next year. 

He’s been stitched up by the proper politicians in the SNP.

[ClydeTon]

10 minutes ago, GTee said:

Any ideas what would be best for the Independence movement?

Rangers dying again maybe .

Westminster won't allow another vote I'd they think they'll lose. 

Crazy to think because we are a massive financial burden. 

The best thing for the independence movement would be the end of Humza's tenure as FM, and hopefully a thrashing of the SNP in the next GE, and a clear out of the party. Some MPs have started to bail already, so seemingly, it's likely to happen like that.

If it does, the dream remains alive.

#HumzaMustGo

[StellarHibee]

5 hours ago, Aufc said:

I am at the stage where I will probably not vote. They are all fucking useless. Selfishly, no matter who gets voted in will really not make a huge difference to me as I’ll be fine. Quite sad really

Pull up the ladder....

[Dunning1874]

Obviously the SNP can't openly say this because every time it then doesn't happen in a Westminster election it parks the issue for up to 5 years and no one will accept them openly doing nothing to work towards independence for that length of time, even when in practice they've largely done nothing for 10, but really the only realistic route to independence now is a hung parliament where Labour + SNP gives a majority and Labour + Lib Dems doesn't, with the condition for support in forming a government being another referendum. You'd think the inevitable Tory collapse to the Lib Dems in marginals between those two is going to kill that prospect next year anyway even if Labour do butcher an election.

Some laugh if come a General Election Starmer collapses under scrutiny like 2011 Iain Gray or 2017 Theresa May to the point Labour don't win enough English and Welsh seats for the majority, but a Scottish resurgence just puts them over the top.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The biggest issue is one Yousaf has no control over - the ongoing Police Scotland investigation.

Whilst that is hanging in the background the SNP are screwed no matter what they do.

[Granny Danger]

Whilst Nicola Sturgeon might not be able to comment on the substance of the investigation I imagine she would be within her rights publicly asking for its timely resolution.

The fact that she isn’t suggests to me that the outcome might not be to her liking.

 

[Moomintroll]

10 hours ago, ClydeTon said:

The most important thing about the by-election wasn't Labour's margin of victory, it was the turnout.

Labour only won 17,845 votes.

In 2019, Labour had 18,545.

That's a fall of 700...

The reason the SNP lost is because the SNP vote in Rutherglen stayed home. The SNP is a shambles, therefore, don't earn the vote. However, the average SNP voter won't back a Unionist party like Labour, so they just don't vote.

Just like Labour at a UK level - they aren't offering anything to win votes (if anything they actively push people away), they rely solely on the collapse of their rivals - in England the Tories, up here, the SNP. The only exception is Wales, where Labour enjoy enough popular support to maintain power. Just.

The best thing Humza could do, and the best option for the SNP, is to resign before he - like he has in every other job he's done in government - makes an arse of it.

The best thing for the independence movement would be an SNP tanking in the next GE, Humza gets punted, and the SNP do a clean out. Although, that could easily go bottom up.

Either way, Humza needs punted, fast.

We are fucked in Wales next time because of that gibbering idiot Drakeford. The anger he has generated against Labour round here is staggering given that it should be a safe haven, he can't even find a suit that fits him, why the f**k is he allowed to run a country?

[Trogdor]

Just now, Moomintroll said:

We are fucked in Wales next time because of that gibbering idiot Drakeford. The anger he has generated against Labour round here is staggering given that it should be a safe haven, he can't even find a suit that fits him, why the f**k is he allowed to run a country?

A comment from afar, I know very little about the guy. However, he has the look of an undertaker and he's just as inspiring.

[vikingTON]

25 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

The biggest issue is one Yousaf has no control over - the ongoing Police Scotland investigation.

Whilst that is hanging in the background the SNP are screwed no matter what they do.

What evidence do you have to show that it's the police investigation that people are voting about, as opposed to Yousaf's garbage leadership or the clowncar administration being run with/by the Greens? 

That's just a lazy cop out to deflect from the party's failure and indeed conscious refusal to reset and renew its agenda.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

36 minutes ago, virginton said:

What evidence do you have to show that it's the police investigation that people are voting about, as opposed to Yousaf's garbage leadership or the clowncar administration being run with/by the Greens? 

That's just a lazy cop out to deflect from the party's failure and indeed conscious refusal to reset and renew its agenda.

Those reasons are not mutually exclusive though.

I've said previously that Yousaf is ineffective (that was before and after his election) and that the Greens need binned. 

Even if he is replaced (and he should be), and there is a reset, while the investigation is hanging over the SNP, it is going to continue to be damaging.

Whilst Yousaf is in place though, any damage limitation and attempts to distance themselves from the previous leadership is impossible because he was so much part of that leadership.

Edited October 7, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh

[renton]

11 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Those reasons are not mutually exclusive though.

I've said previously that Yousaf is ineffective (that was before and after his election) and that the Greens need binned. 

Even if he is replaced (and he should be), and there is a reset, while the investigation is hanging over the SNP, it is going to continue to be damaging.

Whilst Yousaf is in place though, any damage limitation and attempts to distance themselves from the previous leadership is impossible because he was so much part of that leadership.

The downside is the lack of experience in any future leader but yeah, the next leader has to skip by Forbes and onto someone like Gray, McAllan or McPherson. Get rid of Robison as well and put clear blue water between yourself and Sturgeon.

Im still not sure what a reset of the agenda is supposed to look like though, particularly in a WM election. Arguing for domestic policy you have no control over wont move the needle. Only Indy will.

[vikingTON]

17 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Those reasons are not mutually exclusive though.

I've said previously that Yousaf is ineffective (that was before and after his election) and that the Greens need binned. 

Even if he is replaced (and he should be), and there is a reset, while the investigation is hanging over the SNP, it is going to continue to be damaging.

Whilst Yousaf is in place though, any damage limitation and attempts to distance themselves from the previous leadership is impossible because he was so much part of that leadership.

We've moved from 'they're screwed' because of the investigation regardless, to 'continue to be damaging'. I agree with that, but don't see why a leader who makes a sharp break with the past is going to be dragged down by the investigation. They are in government - they therefore have the ability to shape the agenda too by doing competent and worthwhile things. 

The investigation has also really not been in the news cycle for months now and so I very much doubt it was even in the top 3 of voters' concerns at Rutherglen. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

9 minutes ago, virginton said:

We've moved from 'they're screwed' because of the investigation regardless, to 'continue to be damaging'. I agree with that, but don't see why a leader who makes a sharp break with the past is going to be dragged down by the investigation. They are in government - they therefore have the ability to shape the agenda too by doing competent and worthwhile things. 

The investigation has also really not been in the news cycle for months now and so I very much doubt it was even in the top 3 of voters' concerns at Rutherglen. 

It will be back though - can't see there not being charges made - it's gone way beyond spending supposedly ringfenced monies - if that happens then it will very much be at forefront. It also may not have been in the news cycle but the damage has already been done from it and won't suddenly be reversed just because it's not on the news agenda.

A new leader who is untainted will still have a difficult job because it is the SNP itself that's been damaged by Murrell’s actions, and rightly or wrongly, the opposition will use it as weapon to attack the SNP with.

Edited October 7, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh

[vikingTON]

17 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

It will be back though - can't see there not being charges made - it's gone way beyond spending supposedly ringfenced monies - if that happens then it will very much be at forefront. It also may not have been in the news cycle but the damage has already been done from it and won't suddenly be reversed just because it's not on the news agenda.

A new leader who is untainted will still have a difficult job because it is the SNP itself that's been damaged by Murrell’s actions, and rightly or wrongly, the opposition will use it as weapon to attack the SNP with.

That's a plausible theory but the data doesn't really support this irreparable damage argument though:

The SNP voting intention did take a dunt in the spring but it has been tracking down a point or two since as well. It's in no way an unsalvageable position though for a competent leader - not comparable really to the hole that the Tories have been in south of the border.