GTG_03 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 45 minutes ago, Bula Bairn said: I recall the performative ignorance from the "journalists" - hundreds dying was the last thing on their minds. Nothing's changed tbh. Can't remember who it was now but there was a journalist who had just finished his questions to sturgeon and not realising his mic on the video call was still live, waa boasting and laughing with colleagues about how he'd really given it to her(with his questions, before someone inserts Kenneth). Journalistic standards in Scotland are terrible across the board tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, GTG_03 said: Journalistic standards in Scotland are terrible across the board tbh As are it seems the Politicians’…. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Is this Jedi making stuff up again? I'm shocked! My recollection was that Humza said that a majority would be taken as a mandate to open negotiations with Westminster. I don't recall any mention of UDI. Whilst my preferred method of beginning negotiations would be through winning a referendum, it does the Yoon side no favours to continually tell lies about the position taken by Indy supporters. So Jedi, how about you either provide a direct quote from Humza threatening UDI, or stfu? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) So, @lichtgilphead a 'withdrawal agreement' being drawn up with a 'majority' of seats 'isnt' UDI...rather think it is, maybe need to stfu as well. Edited April 26 by Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, GTG_03 said: Can't remember who it was now but there was a journalist who had just finished his questions to sturgeon and not realising his mic on the video call was still live, waa boasting and laughing with colleagues about how he'd really given it to her(with his questions, before someone inserts Kenneth). Journalistic standards in Scotland are terrible across the board tbh I went looking for footage of that quite extraordinarily bad behaviour that gave the game away but couldn't find it. I do though recall Tom Gordon with his pomposity tazer turned up to max asking what he obviously thought were daily smart questions. His idiocy far outweighed his pertinency 11 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: So, @lichtgilphead a 'withdrawal agreement' being drawn up with a 'majority' of seats 'isnt' UDI...rather think it is, maybe need to stfu as well. It would do you great credit if you would extend yourself to the foothills of credibility 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 This made me very uncomfortable. I don’t want to be unkind to Gillian MacKay, events like this must be difficult. But there seems to be a massive outpouring of emotion over all this that’s seems out of kilter with what has happened. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 36 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: 34 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: So, @lichtgilphead a 'withdrawal agreement' being drawn up with a 'majority' of seats 'isnt' UDI...rather think it is, maybe need to stfu as well. Do you even know what UDI means, @Jedi2 If you look up the article in the National that you've referenced above, you'll find the following quote from Humza ""So if we win that General Election, we will therefore seek that mandate to negotiate with the UK Government on how to put that proposition into democratic effect.” That's not UDI. Do you want to try again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 57 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: So, @lichtgilphead a 'withdrawal agreement' being drawn up with a 'majority' of seats 'isnt' UDI...rather think it is, maybe need to stfu as well. It isn't. It's about negotiating a route to independence, for example, a referendum and its timing etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, Jedi2 said: His staying on is the perfect scenario. Obviously the VONC in the govt will fail as the SNP won't back it. Means that he has to get to the GE as leader shouting about a 1 seat majority is enough for UDI, while struggling to get Bills passes in Holyrood and having Regan barking at the moon in Cabinet. Sounds pretty shite tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jedi2 said: So, @lichtgilphead a 'withdrawal agreement' being drawn up with a 'majority' of seats 'isnt' UDI...rather think it is, maybe need to stfu as well. A withdrawal agreement would have to be ratified by both parties which is sort of the opposite to a unilateral declaration. Edited April 26 by Dan Steele 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 That Gillian Mackay interview. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 An hour and 37 minutes left to resurrect Murdo’s credibility! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, DrewDon said: That Gillian Mackay interview. Indeed and especially as she is flat out wrong. Self indulgent twitter and bubble debate has seen to them. Patrick went rogue and every interested grown up sucked air as he ended his career and his party's influence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) You can spin the Humza whatever way you like...he also has previous with his 'line one, page one in our manifesto..do you want Scotland to be an Independent nation'. The GE tactic is still to push a win of any kind (even by 1 seat) as a 'clear' mandate to say 'The people of Scotland have spoken and backed Independence. Therefore we will now negotiate the terms of that with the UK govt'. That is how it is being sold to the public Whether in those circumstances 'the terms' became another Ref, or, read another way from his own comments, that there is then a mandate to draw up a Withdrawal agreement doesn't really matter. The fact remains that he enters the election on the basis that (any) SNP win is a trigger for Scotland to then be an Independent country. Question is...are they in good shape now for that to become a reality this year? Edited April 26 by Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: You can spin the Humza whatever way you like...he also has previous with his 'line one, page one in our manifesto..do you want Scotland to be an Independent nation'. The GE tactic is still to push a win of any kind (even by 1 seat) as a 'clear' mandate to say 'The people of Scotland have spoken and backed Independence. Therefore we will now negotiate the terms of that with the UK govt'. That is how it is being sold to the public Whether in those circumstances 'the terms' became another Ref, or, read another way from his own comments, that there is then a mandate to draw up a Withdrawal agreement doesn't really matter. The fact remains that he enters the election on the basis that (any) SNP win is a trigger for Scotland to then be an Independent country. Question is...are they in good shape now for that to become a reality this year? That is a long winded way for you to admit you were wrong 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: You can spin the Humza whatever way you like...he also has previous with his 'line one, page one in our manifesto..do you want Scotland to be an Independent nation'. The GE tactic is still to push a win of any kind (even by 1 seat) as a 'clear' mandate to say 'The people of Scotland have spoken and backed Independence. Therefore we will now negotiate the terms of that with the UK govt'. That is how it is being sold to the public Whether in those circumstances 'the terms' became another Ref, or, read another way from his own comments, that there is then a mandate to draw up a Withdrawal agreement doesn't really matter. The fact remains that he enters the election on the basis that (any) SNP win is a trigger for Scotland to then be an Independent country. Question is...are they in good shape now for that to become a reality this year? Question is... Are you going to do the honourable thing and retract or persist and lose any shred of credibility that you may or may not have had? Edited April 26 by sophia typo 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, sophia said: Question is... Are you going to do the honourable thing and retract or persist and lose any shred of credibility that you may or may have had? I see it going one of 2 ways: 1) "Don't back down, double down" or 2) Jedi2 leaves the forum, then slithers back on as Jedi3 in the next month or so 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 56 minutes ago, ICTChris said: An hour and 37 minutes left to resurrect Murdo’s credibility! Did he ever have any? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 You are right of course...the general public in Scotland won't see Yousaf's rhetoric as 'get the most seats and that's us Independent' after all 'Credibility' from staunch supporters of the Humza -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: the general public in Scotland won't see Yousaf's rhetoric as 'get the most seats and that's us Independent' after all Only an absolute moron would interpret Humza's statements in that way. Oh... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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