StellarHibee Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 49 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: It's sad that - after a hate-fuelled, rabble-rousing narcissist was ousted as FM She did pretty well for a narcissist tbf. Seeing off all of those society conscious conservative leaders over her tenure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: She did pretty well for a narcissist tbf. Seeing off all of those society conscious conservative leaders over her tenure. With the stench of corruption and the possibility of insolvency around the SNP you clearly have an astonishingly low bar to 'pretty well'. But we all knew that. Edited April 13, 2023 by The_Kincardine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Just now, The_Kincardine said: With the stench of corruption Good thing it's just them then. The UK political system would be completely broken if the "stench of corruption" tainted any of those other parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Just now, StellarHibee said: Good thing it's just them then. The UK political system would be completely broken if the "stench of corruption" tainted any of those other parties. "Whitaboot"? is always close at hand, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: "Whitaboot"? is always close at hand, eh? Indeed, you're incredibly good at it. The typical "I vote tory, but the others are just as bad ken". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 minute ago, StellarHibee said: Indeed, you're incredibly good at it. The typical "I vote tory, but the others are just as bad ken". So do you have anything to say about Humza and his use of the SC to further division in Scotland or do you want to make this about me? Again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: So do you have anything to say about Humza and his use of the SC to further division in Scotland or do you want to make this about me? Again? That's your interpretation. Considering you think the tories are the guys to vote for, i'd say your interpretation skills when it comes to political matters isn't all that sharp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Humza doesnt seem to have been aware of anything 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: So do you have anything to say about Humza and his use of the SC to further division in Scotland or do you want to make this about me? Again? Unsurprising that an extremist UK Nat would want Scotland to get solidly behind divisive, border-building, anti-immigrant, transphobic Brexit Britain … in the name of not liking division, no less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, StellarHibee said: That's your interpretation. Considering you think the tories are the guys to vote for, i'd say your interpretation skills when it comes to political matters isn't all that sharp. Bear in mind this is someone who has claimed to want the Irish forcibly repatriated under UK rule. I think “sharp” is probably less accurate than “mad, bad, and dangerous”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: So do you have anything to say about Humza and his use of the SC to further division in Scotland or do you want to make this about me? Again? The Scottish Parliament (all of the parties, including the tories) thought this was within the competence of Holyrood and have thought this for 5 years. That the scottish tories then shat their pants when told "its a bad thing" by Boris/Liz/Rishi is neither here nor there. Those tories with a conscience voted for it regardless and it passed with a whopping majority. The Scottish Parliament is NOT divided on this issue, and the SC is only being asked to rule because the Westminster tories dingied the bill. All of this "how much will it cost" shite is just a smokescreen - there would be a cost of precisely £f**k.all if Westminster hadnt decided to make it an issue in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: So do you have anything to say about Humza and his use of the SC to further division in Scotland or do you want to make this about me? Again? 1 hour ago, StellarHibee said: That's your interpretation. Considering you think the tories are the guys to vote for, i'd say your interpretation skills when it comes to political matters isn't all that sharp. That's that Q answered - to no one's surprise. I see that with the loss of their auditors and the possibility of not having the audit done by May 31st the WM Nats may lose their Short money. https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23449248.snp-finance-woes-deepen-auditors-leave-partys-westminster-group/ Given that Flynn was appointed WM leader in December, surely he must have known they didn't have an auditor. And if he knew, it's barely credible that Humza didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Leith Green said: The Scottish Parliament (all of the parties, including the tories) thought this was within the competence of Holyrood and have thought this for 5 years. That the scottish tories then shat their pants when told "its a bad thing" by Boris/Liz/Rishi is neither here nor there. Those tories with a conscience voted for it regardless and it passed with a whopping majority. The Scottish Parliament is NOT divided on this issue, and the SC is only being asked to rule because the Westminster tories dingied the bill. All of this "how much will it cost" shite is just a smokescreen - there would be a cost of precisely £f**k.all if Westminster hadnt decided to make it an issue in the first place. If Humza had said, "The bill was passed by HR and we feel we have a duty towards those most affected by it to pursue this to the end" I'd have sympathised with him. If he had said, "We'll try and work with WM over x months to try and find an acceptable solution" I'd have applauded him. He didn't. He admitted it was about taking issue with WM, "Regardless of what you think of the GRR Bill". It is shitty, lowest-common-denominator politics. It stinks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: If Humza had said, "The bill was passed by HR and we feel we have a duty towards those most affected by it to pursue this to the end" I'd have sympathised with him. If he had said, "We'll try and work with WM over x months to try and find an acceptable solution" I'd have applauded him. He didn't. He admitted it was about taking issue with WM, "Regardless of what you think of the GRR Bill". It is shitty, lowest-common-denominator politics. It stinks. I agree that it stinks - Holyrood asked Westminster what was required to make the bill compliant, and Alister Jack has not given an answer. The tories clearly wanted this fight, so what is holyrood to do? Bend over and self lubricate the hairy Scottish arsehole for them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: If he had said, "We'll try and work with WM over x months to try and find an acceptable solution" I'd have applauded him. Do you think it is possible for both parties to find an acceptable solution? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Someone's started early. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Leith Green said: I agree that it stinks - Holyrood asked Westminster what was required to make the bill compliant, and Alister Jack has not given an answer. The tories clearly wanted this fight, so what is holyrood to do? Bend over and self lubricate the hairy Scottish arsehole for them? He could have had two bites at the Moral High Ground cherry: 1. Keep making it all about GRR or 2. Suspend the SC route for a period of time to negotiate a compromise. Either option would have been to his credit and would allow him to retain most all-party support. That's what grown-ups would have done. He's now made it not about GRR and we're back to corrosive Sturgeonism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Do you think it is possible for both parties to find an acceptable solution? I'd hope so. And in this situation, the very act of offering a fixed time to look for a compromise before taking the option of last resort would have put Humza in credit. Of the three (I suppose 4 if you include 'do nothing') options available to him, he has chosen the worst. It's now a tiresome journey through the courts knowing it's no longer about GRR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: He could have had two bites at the Moral High Ground cherry: 1. Keep making it all about GRR or 2. Suspend the SC route for a period of time to negotiate a compromise. Either option would have been to his credit and would allow him to retain most all-party support. That's what grown-ups would have done. He's now made it not about GRR and we're back to corrosive Sturgeonism. This is pish. Holyrood asked what was required AND GOT NO ANSWER. If the "grown ups" knew what was required, they would have said, presumably? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Leith Green said: This is pish. Holyrood asked what was required AND GOT NO ANSWER. If the "grown ups" knew what was required, they would have said, presumably? OK so you're happy to go to court on a 'not the GRR issue' then? 'It's shitty politics but it's the Taoooorrrrries' fault'? Is that a reasonable summary of your position? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.