Guest MickGarvey Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Does anyone else find the faux horror and disgust at teams spending money a bit nauseating? If they have money, its their prerogative. Its not a new thing either. Talbot, Cumnock, Glenafton to name three have always managed to entice players down the A77 from Glasgow for years. If you believe that was for the love of mining villages in East Ayrshire then what happened to Lugar and Muirkirk? Live and let live. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, MickGarvey said: Does anyone else find the faux horror and disgust at teams spending money a bit nauseating? If they have money, its their prerogative. Its not a new thing either. Talbot, Cumnock, Glenafton to name three have always managed to entice players down the A77 from Glasgow for years. If you believe that was for the love of mining villages in East Ayrshire then what happened to Lugar and Muirkirk? Live and let live. Does the potential to be winning things/playing in the top league not come into that comparison anywhere? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MickGarvey Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Does the potential to be winning things/playing in the top league not come into that comparison anywhere? Of course. No denying. To put it down solely on that is very romantic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thejackdaw Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, MickGarvey said: Does anyone else find the faux horror and disgust at teams spending money a bit nauseating? If they have money, its their prerogative. Its not a new thing either. Talbot, Cumnock, Glenafton to name three have always managed to entice players down the A77 from Glasgow for years. If you believe that was for the love of mining villages in East Ayrshire then what happened to Lugar and Muirkirk? Live and let live. Only a total fool would compare Talbot, cumnock and glenafton to lugar and muirkirk ( without trying to be disrespectful to them both by the way ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MickGarvey Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thejackdaw said: Only a total fool would compare Talbot, cumnock and glenafton to lugar and muirkirk ( without trying to be disrespectful to them both by the way ) Clearly missed the point of the post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, MickGarvey said: Clearly missed the point of the post. No, you're not comparing apples with apples. The reasons I pointed out make certain players suitable for these two groups. Higher quality players will be attractive to higher quality clubs with commensurate payment. There are other, much better comparisons you could have given to make your point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MickGarvey Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 10 years ago would you have used the same analogy with Darvel and Talbot? Apples and apples? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, MickGarvey said: 10 years ago would you have used the same analogy with Darvel and Talbot? Apples and apples? Now they are yes but not 10 years ago. At that time they started to offer salaries which were not commensurate to the league ty were playing in. Really don't get what you're trying to say. Let me put it simply using the example of Johnstone Burgh. They are a second tier club who have had success 20 years ago but more recently have struggled. Some new investment has come in and suddenly they are attracting the quality of player who should be in the league above but have clearly dropped down for the money. Whatever way you slice it, that's a talking point and this is a football forum. Hence people posting about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MickGarvey Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Now they are yes but not 10 years ago. At that time they started to offer salaries which were not commensurate to the league ty were playing in. Really don't get what you're trying to say. Let me put it simply using the example of Johnstone Burgh. They are a second tier club who have had success 20 years ago but more recently have struggled. Some new investment has come in and suddenly they are attracting the quality of player who should be in the league above but have clearly dropped down for the money. Whatever way you slice it, that's a talking point and this is a football forum. Hence people posting about it. Do you think Talbot are still up at the top of the tree competing year on year not paying salaries which compete with Darvel and Burgh? Does that mean that when Talbot were sweeping up regularly with little challenge that they werent paying salaries commensurate to the league either or would you agree that historically Talbot have paid substantially also? Live and let live. If they have money, good luck.. you better spend it wisely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, MickGarvey said: Do you think Talbot are still up at the top of the tree competing year on year not paying salaries which compete with Darvel and Burgh? Does that mean that when Talbot were sweeping up regularly with little challenge that they werent paying salaries commensurate to the league either or would you agree that historically Talbot have paid substantially also? Live and let live. If they have money, good luck.. you better spend it wisely. Talbot pay decent money but have never paid over the odds and hopefully never will. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, MickGarvey said: Do you think Talbot are still up at the top of the tree competing year on year not paying salaries which compete with Darvel and Burgh? Does that mean that when Talbot were sweeping up regularly with little challenge that they werent paying salaries commensurate to the league either or would you agree that historically Talbot have paid substantially also? Live and let live. If they have money, good luck.. you better spend it wisely. Not privvy to wages and never have been but would imagine that Talbot have been competitive with salaries but will have a sensible limit and always will have. The attraction of winning trophies within a caring, knowledgeable, experienced, winning set up used to give Talbot that extra edge. Clubs like Darvel and if rumour is correct, JB blew that out the water with big salaries and signing on fees. But then you know this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Now they are yes but not 10 years ago. At that time they started to offer salaries which were not commensurate to the league ty were playing in. Really don't get what you're trying to say. Let me put it simply using the example of Johnstone Burgh. They are a second tier club who have had success 20 years ago but more recently have struggled. Some new investment has come in and suddenly they are attracting the quality of player who should be in the league above but have clearly dropped down for the money. Whatever way you slice it, that's a talking point and this is a football forum. Hence people posting about it. We seem to keep disagreeing lately. Don't worry doesn't make you a bad person. I agree and understand what you are saying re players and money. But feel it's incorrect to make a sweeping statement like that. I personally know of a number of players who are at some of the new teams that have came in. Some where offered good deals at higher up clubs. They went to these clubs for a variety of reasons. Money wasn't the deciding factor. A big factor was being involved at the beginning of a potentially exciting development. Not everyone wants to play for the perceived big clubs and shouldn't be castigated because they haven't chosen to go to a team posters feel they should be at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Not privvy to wages and never have been but would imagine that Talbot have been competitive with salaries but will have a sensible limit and always will have. The attraction of winning trophies within a caring, knowledgeable, experienced, winning set up used to give Talbot that extra edge. Clubs like Darvel and if rumour is correct, JB blew that out the water with big salaries and signing on fees. But then you know this. Add St Cadocs and Drumchapel to that as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, andy25 said: Talbot pay decent money but have never paid over the odds and hopefully never will. Who decides what is over the odds. If a club can afford it and it's sustainable then let them get on with it. If it only lasts a short time then so be it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, HorseyGhirl said: We seem to keep disagreeing lately. Don't worry doesn't make you a bad person. I agree and understand what you are saying re players and money. But feel it's incorrect to make a sweeping statement like that. I personally know of a number of players who are at some of the new teams that have came in. Some where offered good deals at higher up clubs. They went to these clubs for a variety of reasons. Money wasn't the deciding factor. A big factor was being involved at the beginning of a potentially exciting development. Not everyone wants to play for the perceived big clubs and shouldn't be castigated because they haven't chosen to go to a team posters feel they should be at. Ok but that wasn't the point Mick was making. There will of course be players who don't go for the big money due to what is more likely better financial circumstances but if you want to be romantic and say it's more about the love for that club then ok. In short, we're not disagreeing, you're talking about a completely different aspect of the situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, HorseyGhirl said: Who decides what is over the odds. If a club can afford it and it's sustainable then let them get on with it. If it only lasts a short time then so be it. If you see the likes of David Galt going from club captain at Queens Park to Darvel when they were in the second tier of the WoSFL then it's a no brainer that the money offered to him is over the odds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, HorseyGhirl said: Who decides what is over the odds. If a club can afford it and it's sustainable then let them get on with it. If it only lasts a short time then so be it. Im sure Talbot will decide whats over the ofds to them . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, jimbaxters said: Ok but that wasn't the point Mick was making. There will of course be players who don't go for the big money due to what is more likely better financial circumstances but if you want to be romantic and say it's more about the love for that club then ok. In short, we're not disagreeing, you're talking about a completely different aspect of the situation. Without knowing any off the players going to these clubs. I feel it is incorrect to make a sweeping statement that it's only for the money. We aren't inside these guys heads. Some players do make good enough money outside the game that what they get from it is inconsequential. Players could be excited about the potential project. I dont want to come across as anti Talbot. Talbot fans can come across that because of their long term success, they are the moral conscience for the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: If you see the likes of David Galt going from club captain at Queens Park to Darvel when they were in the second tier of the WoSFL then it's a no brainer that the money offered to him is over the odds. Again not knowing the player you cannot say that with 100% conviction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MickGarvey Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just now, jimbaxters said: Ok but that wasn't the point Mick was making. There will of course be players who don't go for the big money due to what is more likely better financial circumstances but if you want to be romantic and say it's more about the love for that club then ok. In short, we're not disagreeing, you're talking about a completely different aspect of the situation. I think that's part of the point I'm making. If Talbot weren't paying what they were paying, why would the Glasgow based players drive past the cut off for Petershill, Benburb and Arthurlie on the way down to Auchinleck or wherever they train? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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