Gordopolis Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 20 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Agree with this. Some omissions from the squad are baffling to me and that some players haven't had more game time likewise. But I'm not in the punt him camp at the moment. Who do you think he left out that was fit and better than what we have? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, SlayerX said: It's time to introduce the three foreigner rule in Scottish football. Seconded 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Fratelli said: There’s been far too much dismissing of our results and performances post qualification imo. We’ve been terrible, and you can’t just turn it off and on. One or two dodgy performances in amongst a sea of positive ones? Maybe - but there’s been a trend here. The constant ‘ach qualified for two tournaments and folk are moaning???’ After those results reeked of just being happy to be there. Indeed it's almost as if "form" is important, who would have thought 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 minute ago, Gordopolis said: Who do you think he left out that was fit and better than what we have? Gilmour, Gauld -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immcinto Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, 2426255 said: The way we set up last night tactically was essentially identical to how we played Spain home and away and how we played Norway. And all the opponent's managers know that as well. Is Clarke flexible enough to try something different? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Fratelli said: There’s been far too much dismissing of our results and performances post qualification imo. We’ve been terrible, and you can’t just turn it off and on. Yes, we've been poor for a long time and plenty have been saying so. That doesn't stop certain people describing any criticism as 'knee jerk' though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 51 minutes ago, Pilgrim Ranger said: Don't know if he'd take the job but David Moyes would do a decent job as Scotland manager. He'd make you resilient and hard to beat. I don't think Steve Clarke's really up to this level although he did do well to get you there. Moyes has indicated previously that he would like to manage Scotland one day but only at the "right time" of his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, 2426255 said: The way we set up last night tactically was essentially identical to how we played Spain home and away and how we played Norway. I didn't see many complaints in approaching those games in that manner. Germany were excellent in the start of the game and our team never reached the level they needed too, but the tactical approach wasn't surprising nor was it necessarily the wrong approach. I've seen this said every time we get an adverse result. The manager got it wrong etc. The bottom line in this game is that we required Germany to be off it (which they weren't) and we needed to be on it (which we also weren't) and that's it for me. Even if you try to control the game with the ball it depends upon the players executing to a high standard and there's never a guarantee of that. After 2 mins last night wirtz broke the lines with a simple run and ball over the top that gunn saved, after 5mins iirc the germans a had a couple of 1-2's not far outside the box that mcgegor and mctominay were chasing shadows, after 10mins wirtz scores unmarked from the edge of the box while 3 centre halves marked one man in the 6 yard box The system maybe worked in other games, but last night the system was shown up after 10mins and absolutely no one did anything about it Clarke didn't try to change it or give differing instructions to players, and if he did (unlikely) and the players didnt listen then he should have subbed them off 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 18 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: Moyes has indicated previously that he would like to manage Scotland one day but only at the "right time" of his career. Hes 61 and recently unemployed. Now or never? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 We absolutely weren’t even close to as passive as that against Spain at home. We sat in at times and countered but it wasn’t the same set up as last night. Our opener comes from Robertson being high up the pitch putting Porro under pressure, we didn’t apply any pressure on Germany on our own eighteen years box last night - never mind further up the park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 9 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: Hes 61 and recently unemployed. Now or never? Unless Brendan Rogers suddenly leaves Celtic Moyes will surely be the next Scotland manager, although when that it is can't be sure. Could be in a month, could be in three years. He said he wants to do it so when it's free it's surely his. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 45 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, we've been poor for a long time and plenty have been saying so. That doesn't stop certain people describing any criticism as 'knee jerk' though. Exactly, we just went out opening game of the euros with the world watching and absolutely shat the bed. Worst opening defeat in history. Don't say anything bad about it though 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 (edited) 42 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said: After 2 mins last night wirtz broke the lines with a simple run and ball over the top that gunn saved, after 5mins iirc the germans a had a couple of 1-2's not far outside the box that mcgegor and mctominay were chasing shadows, after 10mins wirtz scores unmarked from the edge of the box while 3 centre halves marked one man in the 6 yard box The system maybe worked in other games, but last night the system was shown up after 10mins and absolutely no one did anything about it Clarke didn't try to change it or give differing instructions to players, and if he did (unlikely) and the players didnt listen then he should have subbed them off Wirtz was offside on your first point. The first German goal was their first shot of the game, discounting the offside run. It was avoidable, but didn't need a whole system change to have avoided it. Clarke changed the system after 31 minutes to aid the press from 3421 to 352. It helped a little to get us pressing higher, but didn't help in the other aspects of the game. 57 minutes ago, immcinto said: And all the opponent's managers know that as well. Is Clarke flexible enough to try something different? Clarke tried something different in the France, England and Netherlands friendlies (Control the game with the ball against top teams). He tried something different against Norway and Georgia at the end of the campaign and he tried something different against Gibraltar (back-4). Edited June 15 by 2426255 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bing.McCrosby said: Gilmour, Gauld Gilmour is in the squad. Do people honestly not remember how shit Gauld was when he was at Hibs in the SPL? He’s not left out fucking Messi. Edited June 15 by Jambomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, Jambomo said: Gilmour is in the squad. Do people honestly not remember how shit Gauls was when he was at Hibs in the SPL? He’s not left out fucking Messi. Well no Messi isn't eligible for us mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 7 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Wirtz was offside on your first point. The first German goal was their first shot of the game, discounting the offside run. It was avoidable, but didn't need a whole system change to have avoided it. Clarke changed the system after 31 minutes to aid the press from 3421 to 352. It helped a little to get us pressing higher, but didn't help in the other aspects of the game. Clarke tried something different in the France, England and Netherlands friendlies (Control the game with the ball against top teams). He tried something different against Norway and Georgia at the end of the campaign and he tried something different against Gibraltar (back-4). He was offside by a bawhair and absolutely no one tracked his run, he wasnt the striker who just moved early, he's the attacking mid who broke the lines and absolutely no one picked him up He changed the 3 at the back to 3 at the back, it was the back 3 that was the issue, the midfield were swamped because 3 at the back were literally marking 1 striker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I do wonder if it's a bit of a double edged sword with Clarke. As in, his "treat it like a club" mentality of having a core squad who know exactly what to so helps us qualify for these, but having a core squad and predictable line up makes us easy to play against tournaments as our opponents all have 6 months+ to prepare specifically for us while knowing almost exactly how we'll set up and line up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jambomo said: Gilmour is in the squad. Do people honestly not remember how shit Gauld was when he was at Hibs in the SPL? He’s not left out fucking Messi. I wouldn't have been adverse to giving him a chance but he's even said the British style of football doesn't suit him. He is no where good enough for the manager to be adjusting tactics for him to shoehorn him in imo. Edited June 15 by gannonball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie adie Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, SpoonTon said: Gunn's been good since he came in, but his right hand let him down badly twice in the first half. Two shots he should've pushed out wide. Nothing Clarke can do about that. A lot of it down to the coaching keepers get now , not to catch the ball -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberdeen1970 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Willie adie said: A lot of it down to the coaching keepers get now , not to catch the ball Why then do they spend large parts of the warm up before games catching the ball from crosses made by their coach? Edited June 15 by aberdeen1970 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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