DiegoDiego Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 10 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said: Shankland has shown absolutely nothing in a Scotland top either. Even against Gibraltar. He got lots of time in the games up to the Euro's to stake his place and show what he could do and showed zero. So after that we just chuck him in anyway? If anything Conway should have gotten more of a chance. He's at least playing at a higher level than Shankland and hasn't had the chance to show what he can do with the full NT. Agree with most of that. I'm not against Shankland getting minutes, but he hasn't exactly set the heather on fire when given the chance. Don't know much about Conway other than his cameo vs Finland, but he's got more potential than Shankland simply due to age. It's easy to say we should have given him more minutes in the meaningless games leading up to the tournament, but if Brown, Dykes, Nisbet and Stewart weren't all fucked then Conway would still be a U21 player and lucky to be in the conversation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 7 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c9777vz1d08o "If Clarke is to stay then he needs to adapt - and now" This basically sums it up for me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, JS_FFC said: Herve Renard? 59 minutes ago, TheScarf said: That's the boy. This is so fucking on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 18 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c9777vz1d08o Do not say this often, but that’s a pretty bang on assessment from English. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Not entirely sure what the issue is with his criticisms of the ref though. Clarke is correct that we were denied a stonewall penalty. His tactics were wrong though and it’s not a valid excuse, but the criticism itself was accurate imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basile Boli Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, JS_FFC said: Not entirely sure what the issue is with his criticisms of the ref though. Clarke is correct that we were denied a stonewall penalty. His tactics were wrong though and it’s not a valid excuse, but the criticism itself was accurate imo. You’re kidding right? Possibly his pig ignorant, borderline xenophobic comments? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, JS_FFC said: Not entirely sure what the issue is with his criticisms of the ref though. Clarke is correct that we were denied a stonewall penalty. His tactics were wrong though and it’s not a valid excuse, but the criticism itself was accurate imo. Really, what was valid and accurate about his criticism of the ref being Argentinian? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, Dons_1988 said: Really, what was valid and accurate about his criticism of the ref being Argentinian? That said ref denied us a stonewall penalty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, Basile Boli said: You’re kidding right? Possibly his pig ignorant, borderline xenophobic comments? Just now, Dons_1988 said: Really, what was valid and accurate about his criticism of the ref being Argentinian? Remember, this is coming from the poster who continues to refer to Czechia as Czechoslovakia. Best ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, JS_FFC said: That said ref denied us a stonewall penalty. He didn't deny us the penalty *because* he is Argentinian, though. That's the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, Gaz said: He didn't deny us the penalty *because* he is Argentinian, though. That's the issue. Did Clarke say that he did? That would be very poor if so and kinda racist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Remember, this is coming from the poster who continues to refer to Czechia as Czechoslovakia. Best ignored. Just seen this and so will no longer be engaging in a bad faith discussion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Clarke went full UKIP last night. Terrible look. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well again Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, Gaz said: He didn't deny us the penalty *because* he is Argentinian, though. That's the issue. The issue is that it wasn't a penalty and it given var would have disallowed it for offside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Clarke went full UKIP last night. Terrible look. Can you imagine being the ref and hearing those comments? I hope Clarke pays the inevitable fine from his own pockets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, well again said: The issue is that it wasn't a penalty and it given var would have disallowed it for offside. Looked at it again now and arguably Stuart Armstrong pulled their man down as well to be fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: Clarke went full UKIP last night. Terrible look. Oh.... I say! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 17 minutes ago, Cheese said: Clarke went full UKIP last night. Terrible look. It’s Reform these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Wandering about Stuttgart and found Steve Clarke's tactics board from last night: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonnieClyde Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I've heard a few calling for Steve Clarke to go. Reminds me of when Strachan left on the basis of not qualifying for a major competition to be replaced by... another manager who previously failed to qualify. And if Clarke were to leave I think we would appoint Moyes. If Clarke failing to play attacking football frustrates you, Moyes wouldnt be different. I also don't think it would be an improvement. Other managers could even take us backwards. I've also seen a fair bit of criticism of team selection and tactics. IMO some are misplaced as after the first game Gunn could only have been replaced by someone not as good. Ralston would have been replaced by someone who was on a par at best. As for tactics/ formation. Both teams went for it and changed for ten minutes last night and we got opened up. It could have gone either way. For two of the three games at this tournament Scotland competed well and it could have went either way. I wouldn't have made that many changes to those chosen by Clarke. Defensive football/or 5-4-1 seems to be criticised but it worked well in qualifying and will allow us to keep qualifying in future with this level of player. We've qualified for 2 euros after waiting 20 odd years of not qualifying. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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