Pull My Strings Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Of the 6 or so guys who have played up front, either through the middle or out wide, this season, I think Grieve's the only one who hasn't made any sort of contribution at all. He might come good but he's not shown anything which suggests that he should be starting games. Classic "something's wrong, change something" reasoning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: Of the 6 or so guys who have played up front, either through the middle or out wide, this season, I think Grieve's the only one who hasn't made any sort of contribution at all. He might come good but he's not shown anything which suggests that he should be starting games. Classic "something's wrong, change something" reasoning. At the risk of being overly blunt and not sufficiently analysing the relative strengths and weaknesses of all parties, Grieve is shite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatDayIsIt Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: At the risk of being overly blunt and not sufficiently analysing the relative strengths and weaknesses of all parties, Grieve is shite To be fair, he is probably in the top 25 or so players at the club 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Arab Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, WhatDayIsIt said: Grimshaw getting dropped two days after Freeman leaves will be hilarious Young Miller to start RB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatDayIsIt Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Fife Arab said: Young Miller to start RB. Thomson? Wing back or right back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 21 hours ago, SGMilne said: the man who got the most out of Nadir Ciftci when he's never come anywhere close reaching those heights ever again, I'm not sure. He did get quite some height when Kevin Thomson nailed him straight after kick off in the 3-1 game at Dens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 20 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: In amongst that were the 4 games against Celtic (3 cup fixtures) We don't talk about that fortnight, ever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 You could say that McNamara was a pretty effective manager for us. He brought through a lot of young talent, got a tune out of Ciftci, reached two cup finals, and guided us to 6th, 4th and 5th. The big problem for me was that he never seemed to learn anything from defeats. As an obvious example, how many times in that period did we go up against Tommy Wright's St Johnstone, lose, and change absolutely nothing for the next time we played them? As others have said, it seemed the quality of the players masked a lack of any real tactical awareness, which seems to have been a recurring theme over the last decade, although with an ever decreasing quality of player. In short, McNamara seemed a reasonable man-manager, but not particularly tactically aware. However, any judgement of him will always be clouded by the fact that he, as manager, essentially received a bung to sell off his two best players to the team who we were due to face in a Cup Final, at a time when we were also second in the league to the same team. So f**k him, the wee rat c**t 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said: You could say that McNamara was a pretty effective manager for us. He brought through a lot of young talent, got a tune out of Ciftci, reached two cup finals, and guided us to 6th, 4th and 5th. The big problem for me was that he never seemed to learn anything from defeats. As an obvious example, how many times in that period did we go up against Tommy Wright's St Johnstone, lose, and change absolutely nothing for the next time we played them? As others have said, it seemed the quality of the players masked a lack of any real tactical awareness, which seems to have been a recurring theme over the last decade, although with an ever decreasing quality of player. In short, McNamara seemed a reasonable man-manager, but not particularly tactically aware. However, any judgement of him will always be clouded by the fact that he, as manager, essentially received a bung to sell off his two best players to the team who we were due to face in a Cup Final, at a time when we were also second in the league to the same team. So f**k him, the wee rat c**t To be fair, there was that one time when, floating on a cloud of hubris, he changed half the team for a match at McDiarmid after Christmas. If my Vietnam-style flashbacks aren't failing me, Calum Butcher did a Calum Butcher thing, Gabriel Batistuta turned up wearing Stevie May's shirt, and we got pumped 3-0. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) On 23/02/2024 at 10:17, SGMilne said: Yeah, I think history has been unkind to Jackie McNamara. It all ended badly for him and he subsequently had a horrible time of it at York but he deserves credit for a number of things, including having the balls to play guys like Gauld, Souttar and Robertson at such a young age/level of experience, for clearly being the man who got the most out of Nadir Ciftci when he's never come anywhere close reaching those heights ever again, and for the great football we played under him at times. Absolutely, player sales and recruitment in the latter part of his time with us was poor (the recruitment in the season we were relegated was simply unbelievable) but you can't only look at the negatives. Reading this forum - the opposite is clearly true. Firstly, I'll say I was a critic of the clown at the time - nothing to do with history. Secondly, there was no 'having balls' involved in playing Gauld, Souttar and Robertson; yer half-blind grannie would have played them, because they were awesome. In fact my argument at the time was we were probably playing them too much. Guys like Gauld needed a rest occasionally, but it wasn't until the great McDiarmid switcheroo that it finally happened when the clown swapped out half the team at the same time to predictable effect! Edited February 24 by ArabFC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 58 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: To be fair, there was that one time when, floating on a cloud of hubris, he changed half the team for a match at McDiarmid after Christmas. If my Vietnam-style flashbacks aren't failing me, Calum Butcher did a Calum Butcher thing, Gabriel Batistuta turned up wearing Stevie May's shirt, and we got pumped 3-0. Was it not 8 changes? Wild anyway. Goal and a man down after about 5 minutes and it went downhill after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 10 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: Was it not 8 changes? Wild anyway. Goal and a man down after about 5 minutes and it went downhill after that. Aye right enough. Sweeping changes after the horsing by Elbows Goodwin et al a few days earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGMilne Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, ArabFC said: Reading this forum - the opposite is clearly true. Firstly, I'll say I was a critic of the clown at the time - nothing to do with history. Secondly, there was no 'having balls' involved in playing Gauld, Souttar and Robertson; yer half-blind grannie would have played them, because they were awesome. In fact my argument at the time was we were probably playing them too much. Guys like Gauld needed a rest occasionally, but it wasn't until the great McDiarmid switcheroo that it finally happened when the clown swapped out half the team at the same time to predictable effect! "Your half blind grannie would have played them" and yet Peter Houston didn't play Gauld and Souttar. Under absolutely no circumstances would Houston have put those two on from the start - making their 3rd ever professional starts - in a semi final at Hampden against Celtic. It just wouldn't have happened. Both strolled it. At the time, there was a near on unanimous view that that was a ballsy move. And that's what I'm referring to. Like I say, it ended badly for him and that's what he's remembered for, but there was a point where things were good. Arguably things have never been anywhere near as good since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Not only did Houston not play them did he not resign because he thought he might have to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatDayIsIt Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Have no idea how we are lining up. Could be 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Not only did Houston not play them did he not resign because he thought he might have to? Indeed. Worth remembering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Not only did Houston not play them did he not resign because he thought he might have to? Quite right. Although, I think that was at least partially to do with his working relationship with Thompson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGMilne Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 His free kick aside, I thought Moult was once again pretty poor today, and in spite of being due credit for scoring the second, Tillson's passing is absolutely appalling for a professional footballer. Like every game we play, we dominated without doing a huge amount. I don't think there were any really good performances, although Gallagher returning adds some stability. Miller Thomson's corners were better than the norm, but I'm not going to go overboard and say he was 'superb' (as I've seen some say on X) because he wasn't. He's not a right back, and I wouldn't feel comfortable with him playing right back long term. The one player I'd single out for praise is Cudjoe, simply because in a squad of players who like to hold up play and play sideways or backwards passes, he is direct and he tries stuff, and it makes a difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeeunited83 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Anyone heard we are apparently signing James Forrest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 36 minutes ago, dundeeunited83 said: Anyone heard we are apparently signing James Forrest Does sound rather unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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