hk blues Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 10/09/2023 at 21:18, CarrbridgeSaintee said: CK is tremendous for her age. What's her age? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Letby is to face a re-trial for 6 of the attempted murder accusations that the jury couldn't reach a decision on. What a waste of time and money. She's already on a whole-life tariff. What's to be gained? Closure for the parents is vastly over-hyped - they already know it was her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, The DA said: Letby is to face a re-trial for 6 of the attempted murder accusations that the jury couldn't reach a decision on. What a waste of time and money. She's already on a whole-life tariff. What's to be gained? Closure for the parents is vastly over-hyped - they already know it was her. I suppose those sets of parents might feel slightly differently to the bit in bold, but given, as you say, she is already on a whole-life tariff I fail to see how this is in the public interest. The cynic in me would suggest it is more to do with the fact she did not appear for sentencing and can now be forced to do so after this new trial. f**k being on that jury btw - a complete waste of their time and money. Edited September 25, 2023 by Todd_is_God 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I suppose those sets of parents might feel slightly differently to the bit in bold, but given, as you say, she is already on a whole-life tariff I fail to see how this is in the public interest. The cynic in me would suggest it is more to do with the fact she did not appear for sentencing and can now be forced to do so after this new trial. f**k being on that jury btw - a complete waste of their time and money. I'd do it, money for old rope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 The Tories will be keen for her to be dragged into the dock for sentencing to make it look like they are serious on crime. It'll go down well with an election campaign probably in full swing by then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, The DA said: Letby is to face a re-trial for 6 of the attempted murder accusations that the jury couldn't reach a decision on. What a waste of time and money. She's already on a whole-life tariff. What's to be gained? Closure for the parents is vastly over-hyped - they already know it was her. It's only one of the 6 getting re-tried, doesn't change the argument though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 How the f**k can they credibly claim they will be able to assemble an impartial Jury for the retrial after the media circus and public gossip/discussion in the aftermath of the Guilty verdicts in the original? You would have to be living on the fucking moon to have no prior knowledge. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Boo Khaki said: How the f**k can they credibly claim they will be able to assemble an impartial Jury for the retrial after the media circus and public gossip/discussion in the aftermath of the Guilty verdicts in the original? You would have to be living on the fucking moon to have no prior knowledge. 1st aet of jurors show up to be sworn in. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 I wonder if she'll be fully back to her natural colour? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 I can think of a few cases where prisoners sentenced to a whole life tariff have been prosecuted on further, sometimes lesser charges. Peter Tobin was prosecuted several times for murder after he’d been convicted already. Mark Fellows was doing a full life term for several gangland assassinations when he was prosecuted for attempted murder. Wayne Couzens was prosecuted for indecent exposure after his murder conviction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 You'd expect any incarcerated prisoner to face charges if new crimes emerge in the course of time, but this is a re-trial of charges that have already been tried. It's not the same thing. Sometimes victims just don't get personal justice because it's completely impractical to even attempt to bring it about. Levi Bellfield springs to mind. I would have thought that the more sensible thing to do would be to let the police conclude their investigations into the historical cases of concern, and if there is sufficient evidence of crimes having been committed earlier in Letby's career to put her on trial for those, have the ones the Jury was unable to agree on rolled into that trial. What's the alternative? Try her potentially three or more times, and have to pretend you were able to compile completely objective juries on three or more occasions? At some point it clearly becomes politically motivated and isn't about justice at all. Just because some element of the public might be outraged doesn't mean it is automatically in public interest to pander to them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Some err interesting alternative coverage of this case being discussed with a New Yorker article yesterday, embargoed in the UK but available through alternate means. Without giving a firm opinion on her guilt or otherwise the conviction is not looking particularly safe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I read the New Yorker article online there. A bit of eye-opener. If all you had to go on was that article, you'd have trouble finding her guilty. This page is also interesting: https://gill1109.com/2023/05/24/the-lucy-letby-case/. I'm assuming there'll be an appeal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 It would be really something if the whole thing was found to be a mistake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 I haven’t read the Nee Yorker article, I will though. I’ve seen some people mention that the article misses some of the evidence used to convict Letby. The evidence in the case was very complicated - statistical evidence on the likelihood of fatal events, medical evidence about what actually happened to the victims. It was presented over almost a year. I suspect that any article isn’t going to cover the breadth of the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 21/08/2023 at 14:19, Wee Bully said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk Interesting (and very similar) case from the Netherlands which was overturned some years later. Use of statistics on when the nurse was on shift and comments in her diary. Of course, if some people had their way, that nurse would have been kicked to death / starved to death / otherwise killed. 15 hours ago, The DA said: I read the New Yorker article online there. A bit of eye-opener. If all you had to go on was that article, you'd have trouble finding her guilty. This page is also interesting: https://gill1109.com/2023/05/24/the-lucy-letby-case/. I'm assuming there'll be an appeal. I called this at the time - the emotion of murdered babies seems to get in the way of actual, non-circumstantial, evidence. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: I called this at the time - the emotion of murdered babies seems to get in the way of actual, non-circumstantial, evidence. Circumstantial evidence is pretty damning when there's enough of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Just now, hk blues said: Circumstantial evidence is pretty damning when there's enough of it. It can also help you to jump to conclusions that aren’t actually warranted. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, Wee Bully said: It can also help you to jump to conclusions that aren’t actually warranted. Coupled with the diary entries and numerous hospital records found in her room, I'd say the circumstantial evidence was just a part of the picture rather than all of it. In isolation perhaps each element is insufficient to satisfy the test but added together? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 53 minutes ago, hk blues said: Coupled with the diary entries and numerous hospital records found in her room, I'd say the circumstantial evidence was just a part of the picture rather than all of it. In isolation perhaps each element is insufficient to satisfy the test but added together? Maybe, maybe not. I refer you back to the Lucia De Berk case which is very similar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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