lichtgilphead Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jedi2 said: The average wage in Scotland is around £35,000. Under the SNP's 6 bands these 'high earners' start at £26,562 (or around £8000 below an 'average' wage. Of course there is then the fiscal drag between £43662 and £43,663 which takes a lot of public sector workers (nurses, teachers, police, Social Workers etc) into the 'Higher' band...these are the people the Scottish govt are going after to up their tax revenue (worth around £1 billion more in the next year with the rates higher than rUK So for all the 'we settled teachers/nurses/police etc pay disputes (eventually)..award these workers a rise then hit them with Higher tax, which kind of defeats the purpose of the pay rise and makes it smoke and mirrors. On the Windfall Tax, the proposal is to increase it by around 3% at present (less of an increase than the Tories made in the last 2 years). Ultimately I would still rather see oil and gas giants, Private School parents and property developers paying a bit more in tax, than an average public sector worker, as, in most considerations they are most able to afford it. 20% Intermediate £26,562 - £43,662 21% Higher £43,663 - £75,000 42% Advanced £75,001 - £125,140* 45% Top Above £125,141 Misleading as ever, Jedi A worker on £26562 will pay less tax than someone on the same salary in rUK, because he will benefit from the 19% rate payable between £12,571 & £14,876. The exact income tax payable in Scotland will be £2775, whilst in rUK, it will be £2798 - check here: link to calculator The point where the Scottish/rUK tax takes are equal is on a salary of ~£28850 - slightly above the median Scottish earnings. In other words, 51% of Scottish raxpayers will pay less tax than their counterparts in England - another link In addition, your superficial analysis and your faux concern for public sector workers totally fails to take into account the fact that the pay scales in Scotland mean that public sector workers in Scotland tend to earn more than their equivalents in rUK (excluding London) . In fact, the median pay for a full-time public sector employee in Scotland was around £1,500 higher than in the UK in 2023. link What would you prefer, Jedi? A public sector salary of £44,000 in Scotland or £42,500 in rUK (excluding London)? One will get a take home pay of £34,977. the other will take home £34,120 (figures do not include pension payments) Guess who has the better pay packet at the end of each month? Edited July 2 by lichtgilphead formatting 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 29 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: You know how people like Jedi are absolutely off putting to people and would put you off voting labour? You know that kind of behaviour seeps right through the labour party? Is it just me thats worried their complacency might actually lead to some kind of reform uk led government? We’re laughing it off like we did brexit, but there are enough crayon munchers in the English balance of power constituencies and enough sanctimonious labour cretins to make it an outside chance…? Obvs not this time out but it’s a proper worry for 2029. Slightly more competently managed decline with zero substantive change plays right into the far right’s hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Reckon Reform might win 2 or 3 seats (on a good day) for them on Thursday..even Farage will struggle to win his seat. In 5 years time they will probably be called something else (again)..Brexit Party to Reform to..? They will influence the Tories to move further to the right, but electorally will disappear as 'traditional' Tory voters return to them rather than whatever Farage's latest vanity project is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 33 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: You know how people like Jedi are absolutely off putting to people and would put you off voting labour? You know that kind of behaviour seeps right through the labour party? Is it just me thats worried their complacency might actually lead to some kind of reform uk led government? We’re laughing it off like we did brexit, but there are enough crayon munchers in the English balance of power constituencies and enough sanctimonious labour cretins to make it an outside chance…? Yeah, not this time but after the pending Tory car crash, you can read the tea leaves for 5 years time. It's already happening in France and Germany. Quite concerning tbqhwy. Not so much for me, but my son is 18. When I was his age, it was mid 80s, none of us had any real aspirations, just hope that things would improve - they did, for a while imo, but unfortunately greed and corporates took over and left this vacuum that the far right filled. Worrying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) Unlike France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Hungary the UK has never had actual Communists or Fascists (or at least far-left/far-right) elected to parliament in any numbers, and indeed has always avoided 'extremes'. Yes, Brexit was largely built on smears about Immigration, but it's a whole different matter actually electing far...(either side) to Parliament let alone govt. Hence why Reform might win 2 or 3 seats this time (with maybe 14-15% of the vote or maybe less). Can't see how they go from there to potentially forming the next govt. Howling at the moon about Immigration can only carry so far. I genuinely think the majority of Tory voters (in England) care more about low taxes, not spending too much on public services, being able to keep 'most' of their money and Pensions, than they do about Immigration overall. Edited July 2 by Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Unlike France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Hungary the UK has never had actual Communists or Fascists (or at least far-left/far-right) elected to parliament in any numbers, and indeed has always avoided 'extremes'. Yes, Brexit was largely built on smears about Immigration, but it's a whole different matter actually electing far...(either side) to Parliament let alone govt. Hence why Reform might win 2 or 3 seats this time (with maybe 14-15% of the vote or maybe less). Can't see how they go from there to potentially forming the next govt. Howling at the moon about Immigration can only carry so far. I genuinely think the majority of Tory voters (in England) care more about low taxes, not spending too much on public services, being able to keep 'most' of their money and Pensions, than they do about Immigration overall. It's not racist Tories but working class racists that's the real issue. Edited July 3 by DeeTillEhDeh 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Willie Gallacher was the last communist MP to be elected to the UK parliament. His representation of the people of Fife drew the remark “Only two men of good intention ever went to Westminster, one was Willie Gallacher the other was Guy Fawkes”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 The Reform candidate for Glasgow North is called Helen Burns. I've spent longer than I care to admit trying to find anything about her but can't see anything at all. You have to be a real person to stand in an election, don't you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 12 minutes ago, sparky88 said: The Reform candidate for Glasgow North is called Helen Burns. I've spent longer than I care to admit trying to find anything about her but can't see anything at all. You have to be a real person to stand in an election, don't you? I also had the same problem for the candidate in Glasgow West. Only to find she had probably changed her lastname after she had been outed as a massive racist when she stood previously for the Brexit Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 12 hours ago, Jedi2 said: So for all the 'we settled teachers/nurses/police etc pay disputes (eventually)..award these workers a rise then hit them with Higher tax, which kind of defeats the purpose of the pay rise and makes it smoke and mirrors. As a teacher in a state school "hit" with the higher tax, I'm happy to and would happily pay more tax if it meant more money was spent in education, particularly in the return of dedicated behaviour support units and around addional support needs/more pupil support assistants. You'd be surprised how many people don't mind paying a bit of extra tax if they see something from it. The issue with the tax rises the Tories have overseen is that we don't have anything to show for it as it has been wasted on things like dodgy PPE contracts and tax cuts higher up the food chain. Labour seem to have been spooked by the old Lib Dem "1p more to pay for the NHS" policy and have been backed into a corner where they've committed to not increasing any of the big four taxes, not changing council tax and not borrowing. With such a big lead in the polls they could have probably got away with a 1p extra for medium earners and 2p more for the uber wealthy if they said it was ringfenced for the NHS, education and the likes. But we'll never know. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 48 minutes ago, sparky88 said: The Reform candidate for Glasgow North is called Helen Burns. I've spent longer than I care to admit trying to find anything about her but can't see anything at all. You have to be a real person to stand in an election, don't you? 34 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said: I also had the same problem for the candidate in Glasgow West. Only to find she had probably changed her lastname after she had been outed as a massive racist when she stood previously for the Brexit Party. A fair number of the Reform candidates dont live here, and have just been put up for the GE. I know the candidate about to lose a deposit in Falkirk lives in Derby or something......................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I've known my local Reform candidate since school and him standing for them just confirms what I have always thought of him. A fucking dick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 31 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said: I've known my local Reform candidate since school and him standing for them just confirms what I have always thought of him. A fucking dick. There’s a worry that all these folk who draw cocks on their ballot papers will see their votes getting defaulted to Reform! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Multiple examples of this before the account was deleted. Nothing to do with Reform though - just another bad apple in the fascist barrel. That said, you don't need to go too far down the comments on the second link before someone suggests it's being done by someone to damage Reform. https://x.com/GBGreatAgain/status/1808443912123560012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Seems a bit rum, given how much he resembles a potato. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, HTG said: Multiple examples of this before the account was deleted. Nothing to do with Reform though - just another bad apple in the fascist barrel. That said, you don't need to go too far down the comments on the second link before someone suggests it's being done by someone to damage Reform. https://x.com/GBGreatAgain/status/1808443912123560012 They don’t look dead and if they are they shouldn’t be claiming a pension send them back to Romania brexit means Brexit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 6 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: As a teacher in a state school "hit" with the higher tax, I'm happy to and would happily pay more tax if it meant more money was spent in education, particularly in the return of dedicated behaviour support units and around addional support needs/more pupil support assistants. You'd be surprised how many people don't mind paying a bit of extra tax if they see something from it. The issue with the tax rises the Tories have overseen is that we don't have anything to show for it as it has been wasted on things like dodgy PPE contracts and tax cuts higher up the food chain. Labour seem to have been spooked by the old Lib Dem "1p more to pay for the NHS" policy and have been backed into a corner where they've committed to not increasing any of the big four taxes, not changing council tax and not borrowing. With such a big lead in the polls they could have probably got away with a 1p extra for medium earners and 2p more for the uber wealthy if they said it was ringfenced for the NHS, education and the likes. But we'll never know. I have been a teacher in a state school for 28 years now as well, and don't disagree about extra tax, if you can see it reinvested into education and health particularly the areas you suggest. Also agree that Labour could (and should) have got away with an 'extra 1p for Education and Health' approach. However being a teacher and due to various 'issues' to say the least with the SNP and Education over the past few years is one of the main reasons I couldn't vote for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I propose that the Scottish government introduce a 75% teachers tax rate since they all want to pay higher taxes. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 8 hours ago, Granny Danger said: There’s a worry that all these folk who draw cocks on their ballot papers will see their votes getting defaulted to Reform! Maybe you could record a YouTube clip on how to properly draw a cock on a ballot paper without it counting as a vote for Reform. I think that would be very helpful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 43 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Maybe you could record a YouTube clip on how to properly draw a cock on a ballot paper without it counting as a vote for Reform. I think that would be very helpful. Your faith in me is both endearing and misplaced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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