Trapdoor to Hell

[Nowhereman]

2 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I fundamentally agree with you, but rest assured that the shitshow at these two clubs is primarily the product of chancers, incompetents, cowards and in our case a criminal, and not the supporters themselves.

Without a shadow of a doubt, the worst thing to happen to DFC in my lifetime was moving from Boghead as it's seen property speculators gather like flies round shite.  Or make that shite round shite.

We’ve never really recovered from High Fraser dying at the age of 50

[Nowhereman]

3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

Dumbarton have already been relegated out of the Scottish League, so going down maybe won't concern them too much.

Scottish League Division B[edit]

Main article: 1953–54 Scottish Division B

Pos	Team v t e	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Promotion or relegation
1	Motherwell	30	21	3	6	109	43	+66	45	Promotion to the 1954–55 Division A
2	Kilmarnock	30	19	4	7	71	39	+32	42
3	Third Lanark	30	13	10	7	78	48	+30	36
4	Stenhousemuir	30	14	8	8	66	58	+8	36
5	Morton	30	15	3	12	85	65	+20	33
6	St Johnstone	30	14	3	13	80	71	+9	31
7	Albion Rovers	30	12	7	11	55	63	−8	31
8	Dunfermline Athletic	30	11	9	10	48	57	−9	31
9	Ayr United	30	11	8	11	50	56	−6	30
10	Queen's Park	30	9	9	12	56	51	+5	27
11	Alloa Athletic	30	7	10	13	50	72	−22	24
12	Forfar Athletic	30	10	4	16	38	69	−31	24
13	Cowdenbeath	30	9	5	16	67	81	−14	23
14	Arbroath	30	8	7	15	53	67	−14	23
15	Dundee United	30	8	6	16	54	79	−25	22
16	Dumbarton	30	7	8	15	51	92	−41	22	Relegated to the 1954–55 Division C

We also went out of the league for ten years  in 1897. Weirdly enough we reached the Scottish Cup Final that same season

[May Rckinnon]

1 hour ago, Clyde01 said:

MK is straight out of the Barry Ferguson school of (mis)management. Throw enough cash around to appear successful and feed your out of control ego, thinking you are the next mourinho.

Hopefully just like Ferguson he gets found out big time shortly.

Ferguson deserves more shite for this. Cock man Mick has taken all the 'utter bampot' spotlight from him.

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, Nowhereman said:

High Fraser dying

Reported for libel.

[rockson]

1 hour ago, Nowhereman said:

We also went out of the league for ten years  in 1897. Weirdly enough we reached the Scottish Cup Final that same season

If we go out of the league again we won't be back in one year (like in 1955) or even ten.

[rockson]

5 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

Dumbarton have already been relegated out of the Scottish League, so going down maybe won't concern them too much.

Scottish League Division B[edit]

Main article: 1953–54 Scottish Division B

Pos	Team v t e	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Promotion or relegation
1	Motherwell	30	21	3	6	109	43	+66	45	Promotion to the 1954–55 Division A
2	Kilmarnock	30	19	4	7	71	39	+32	42
3	Third Lanark	30	13	10	7	78	48	+30	36
4	Stenhousemuir	30	14	8	8	66	58	+8	36
5	Morton	30	15	3	12	85	65	+20	33
6	St Johnstone	30	14	3	13	80	71	+9	31
7	Albion Rovers	30	12	7	11	55	63	−8	31
8	Dunfermline Athletic	30	11	9	10	48	57	−9	31
9	Ayr United	30	11	8	11	50	56	−6	30
10	Queen's Park	30	9	9	12	56	51	+5	27
11	Alloa Athletic	30	7	10	13	50	72	−22	24
12	Forfar Athletic	30	10	4	16	38	69	−31	24
13	Cowdenbeath	30	9	5	16	67	81	−14	23
14	Arbroath	30	8	7	15	53	67	−14	23
15	Dundee United	30	8	6	16	54	79	−25	22
16	Dumbarton	30	7	8	15	51	92	−41	22	Relegated to the 1954–55 Division C

Just noticed we finished level on points at the bottom that year so went down on goal average.

That second last team?

Dundee United.

With Arbroath only one point ahead of that.

(Some people on P&B might suggest all three of us were stinking the league out.)

[Jacksgranda]

17 minutes ago, rockson said:

Just noticed we finished level on points at the bottom that year so went down on goal average.

That second last team?

Dundee United.

With Arbroath only one point ahead of that.

(Some people on P&B might suggest all three of us were stinking the league out.)

You only got relegated as Brechin City were C Division Champions and not a reserve side.

If you had drawn your opening league match at Tannadice instead of losing 2-1, Dundee United would have finished bottom.

Anyway, Division C was scrapped at the end of 1954/55, and all the seniors sides came back into the fold.

[To B or not B]

6 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

 you do realise more than one singular person can provide funding to help a club spend massively outwith it’s means? You probably don’t because you clearly have the IQ of a dug.

That’s a bit ruff!

[O'Kelly Isley III]

I'm really not getting the relevance of all this ancient history stuff.  We won the first two Scottish League titles and the Scottish Cup in 1883, but we won't be do either any time soon.

Ditto this 'stinking the place out' stuff.  Because our clubs don't have the charisma of, say, Wrexham, doesn't mean they should be disrespected for honestly going about their business.

[Marten]

On 04/05/2024 at 23:17, May Rckinnon said:

This is my issue with the pyramid. Many HL teams would probably be worse off financially if promoted & the LL only seems to produce the chicken man type clubs.

Is it really better to have clubs getting into the 42 having spent over the odds then running out of cash or the sugar daddies running off over having teams like Albion Rovers etc. yes, those relegated so far have been mince, but Scottish football is quite unique in the sense that we have different pockets of the country in which junior clubs operate quite happily where they are with, in some cases, better resources than clubs like Stranraer.

If those at the top really want it to work, do away with the nonsensical license pish & fully open up the pyramid from the very bottom right to the top. The fact Strathspey will continue to survive because fort William are shite & lochee don't fancy going up shows what a shit show it is.

We don't fancy going up? Are you having a laugh? We are very keen on going up but this season we unfortunately simply came up against 2 stronger opponents in Broughty and North End. 

[Spyro]

3 minutes ago, Marten said:

We don't fancy going up? Are you having a laugh? We are very keen on going up but this season we unfortunately simply came up against 2 stronger opponents in Broughty and North End. 

You'll find a lot of made up, hysterical nonsense here of what people who have never been to a lower league game think happens down there. It has been quite entertaining 

[Marten]

12 minutes ago, Spyro said:

You'll find a lot of made up, hysterical nonsense here of what people who have never been to a lower league game think happens down there. It has been quite entertaining 

Yeah, apparently in some circles, our 5-0 defeat against North End fed those rumours. Yet these people ignore that our players worked their socks off just a few days prior to come back from 2-0 down against East Craigie to win 3-2, they wouldn't have done that if they weren't bothered with promotion. Also, NE are absolutely flying at the moment as their other results show as well. We were simply beaten by a better team, that's football. Frustrating, especially as they won't get promoted (nor Broughty should NE still fail) but it is what it is.

I know that behind the scenes a hell of a lot of work is already going on to move the club forward both on and off the pitch in the hope that next season we can come back stronger and hopefully win the title. That's why these claims that we wouldn't want it are just so ridiculous.

Edit: and let's not ignore the fact that Lochee United were one of a few clubs in Tayside & the North region pushing for pyramid inclusion when talks were taking place with the HL to ultimately convince the other clubs to agree to it and get it voted through.

Edited May 7 by Marten

[rockson]

On 07/05/2024 at 08:50, O'Kelly Isley III said:

 

Ditto this 'stinking the place out' stuff.  Because our clubs don't have the charisma of, say, Wrexham, doesn't mean they should be disrespected for honestly going about their business.

Charisma?

Have you ever been to Wrexham?

I have.

I couldn't leave the place quick enough (even though it's got some decent Art Deco buildings.)

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

7 minutes ago, rockson said:

Charisma?

Have you ever been to Wrexham?

I have.

I couldn't leave the place quick enough (even though it's got some decent Art Deco buildings.)

 

I was referring to the football club - the one owned by Ryan Reynolds ? - and not the town.  But I'm sure you knew that

Edited May 8 by O'Kelly Isley III

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

On 06/05/2024 at 14:33, Burnieman said:

I do indeed, but a Dumbarton fan getting gobby at the Lowland League and it's clubs over ownership and money is in a very small glass house.  Careful what you wish for, the greasy pole also works downwards as well as up, maybe Broomhill will buy you.

[Burnieman]

Congratulations, I was there last night and it was a thoroughly deserved (overall) win based on last nights performance.  You're number 5 hobbled through the whole second half and couldn't run the length of himself, but hardly gave Spartans a sniff.  

All I say is 12 months ago Stirling Albion were on a crest of a wave, the greasy pole works in mysterious ways......

[PossilYM]

On 06/05/2024 at 14:22, jaggyness said:

Also worth pointing out that prior to his involvement within the football pyramid MK was at amateur side Colville Park who were paying players and also went belly up after he left. Given the players should have been paying their way at this level it looks suspicious at the very least. 

By belly up, you mean ceased to exist.

[cowdenbeath]

I reckon both finalists today will be in L2 next season.

[jaggyness]

47 minutes ago, PossilYM said:

By belly up, you mean ceased to exist.

Well, technically they merged with the electric bar team but yes

[Thereisalight..]

1 hour ago, cowdenbeath said:

I reckon both finalists today will be in L2 next season.

I haven't followed this story closely. Why is it now suddenly an issue with Edinburgh City? They've been in the leagues a few seasons now so what's changed?