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50 minutes ago, Jastons6 said:

When can we expect the fixtures to be announced?

If results at the weekend confirm Dundee in the top 6, then probably Monday or Tuesday.

If not, then at the very least the race will be narrowed down to 2 teams (Dundee and either Hibs or Motherwell). I’d expect the SPFL will draw up 2 sets of fixtures, and release the correct ones almost as soon as the full time whistle goes at Dens next Wednesday (if it goes ahead, of course). 

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On 08/04/2024 at 12:46, Black_and_White_Stripes said:

If I was tasked with organising the fixtures, I'd send one of the Old Firm to Rugby Park on the last day...

That would allow Kilmarnock to once again give the away fans 3 stands.

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13 hours ago, DumbartonBud said:

It would be quite funny if Dundee made top six and Rangers ended up getting sent there again, very unlikely I know but the heads gone and statements would be fantastic. 

We will need to go away to someone for a third time regardless so there's every chance it could be Dundee if they confirm top 6 😅

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On 10/04/2024 at 21:44, The Master said:

If results at the weekend confirm Dundee in the top 6, then probably Monday or Tuesday.

If not, then at the very least the race will be narrowed down to 2 teams (Dundee and either Hibs or Motherwell). I’d expect the SPFL will draw up 2 sets of fixtures, and release the correct ones almost as soon as the full time whistle goes at Dens next Wednesday (if it goes ahead, of course). 

If the top 6 isn't confirmed on time then instead of keeping everybody waiting till the spare game finally gets played the top 6 could be determined on "points per game"  and we'd all have our fixture list by Monday

A precedent has, after all, been set for this kind of thing. 

In fact given that Ross County vs Rangers doesn't feature in the calculations we could get our fixtures on Saturday night

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, AJF said:

We will need to go away to someone for a third time regardless so there's every chance it could be Dundee if they confirm top 6 😅

If Dundee stay up you're going to Paisley

Home Fixtures without switches
Hearts:17+3(Dundee,Rangers,St Mirren) = 20
Kilmarnock:17+3(Celtic,Dundee,Hearts) = 20
Rangers:17+3(Dundee,Kilmarnock,St Mirren) = 20


St Mirren:16+2(Celtic,Kilmarnock) = 18
Celtic:16+2(Hearts,Rangers) = 18
Dundee:16+2(Celtic,St Mirren) = 18

  • Hearts will need to go to Dundee, Rangers or St Mirren a 3rd time but as Rangers and St Mirren are needing to switch one home game already it's going to be Dundee.
  • Rangers won't go to Kilmarnock a 3rd time and Dundee are hosting Hearts so that leaves St Mirren
  • And by process of elimination Kilmarnock visit Parkhead again

Home Fixtures After switches

Hearts:17+2(Rangers,St Mirren but not Dundee,) = 19
Kilmarnock:17+2(Dundee,Hearts but not Celtic) = 19
Rangers:17+2(Dundee,Kilmarnock but not St Mirren) = 19

St Mirren:16+2+1(Celtic,Kilmarnock, plus Rangers) = 19
Celtic:16+2+1(Hearts,Rangers plus Kilmarnock) = 19
Dundee:16+2+1(Celtic,St Mirren plus Hearts) = 19


 

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2 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

If Dundee stay up you're going to Paisley

Home Fixtures without switches
Hearts:17+3(Dundee,Rangers,St Mirren) = 20
Kilmarnock:17+3(Celtic,Dundee,Hearts) = 20
Rangers:17+3(Dundee,Kilmarnock,St Mirren) = 20


St Mirren:16+2(Celtic,Kilmarnock) = 18
Celtic:16+2(Hearts,Rangers) = 18
Dundee:16+2(Celtic,St Mirren) = 18

  • Hearts will need to go to Dundee, Rangers or St Mirren a 3rd time but as Rangers and St Mirren are needing to switch one home game already it's going to be Dundee.
  • Rangers won't go to Kilmarnock a 3rd time and Dundee are hosting Hearst or so that leaves St Mirren
  • And by process of elimination Kilmarnock visit Parkhead again

Home Fixtures After switches

Hearts:17+2(Rangers,St Mirren but not Dundee,) = 19
Kilmarnock:17+2(Dundee,Hearts but not Celtic) = 19
Rangers:17+2(Dundee,Kilmarnock but not St Mirren) = 19

St Mirren:16+2+1(Celtic,Kilmarnock, plus Rangers) = 19
Celtic:16+2+1(Hearts,Rangers plus Kilmarnock) = 19
Dundee:16+2+1(Celtic,St Mirren plus Hearts) = 19


 

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2 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

If Dundee stay up you're going to Paisley

Home Fixtures without switches
Hearts:17+3(Dundee,Rangers,St Mirren) = 20
Kilmarnock:17+3(Celtic,Dundee,Hearts) = 20
Rangers:17+3(Dundee,Kilmarnock,St Mirren) = 20


St Mirren:16+2(Celtic,Kilmarnock) = 18
Celtic:16+2(Hearts,Rangers) = 18
Dundee:16+2(Celtic,St Mirren) = 18

  • Hearts will need to go to Dundee, Rangers or St Mirren a 3rd time but as Rangers and St Mirren are needing to switch one home game already it's going to be Dundee.
  • Rangers won't go to Kilmarnock a 3rd time and Dundee are hosting Hearts so that leaves St Mirren
  • And by process of elimination Kilmarnock visit Parkhead again

Home Fixtures After switches

Hearts:17+2(Rangers,St Mirren but not Dundee,) = 19
Kilmarnock:17+2(Dundee,Hearts but not Celtic) = 19
Rangers:17+2(Dundee,Kilmarnock but not St Mirren) = 19

St Mirren:16+2+1(Celtic,Kilmarnock, plus Rangers) = 19
Celtic:16+2+1(Hearts,Rangers plus Kilmarnock) = 19
Dundee:16+2+1(Celtic,St Mirren plus Hearts) = 19


 

I that case, I hope Dundee miss out as I assume if it's Hibs or Motherwell, we'd have them at home rather than Rangers as we're due to play them at home anyway. Don't want our 3 home games advantage being diluted by two of them being against Celtic and Rangers.

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14 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

I that case, I hope Dundee miss out as I assume if it's Hibs or Motherwell, we'd have them at home rather than Rangers as we're due to play them at home anyway. Don't want our 3 home games advantage being diluted by two of them being against Celtic and Rangers.

Especially if we have to go to Dundee's tattiefield as one of our away games.

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35 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

I that case, I hope Dundee miss out as I assume if it's Hibs or Motherwell, we'd have them at home rather than Rangers as we're due to play them at home anyway. Don't want our 3 home games advantage being diluted by two of them being against Celtic and Rangers.

Home advantage against Motherwell is overrated. Opponents do better at Fir Park (1.63 ppg) than they do when hosting Motherwell  (1.38 ppg) although St Mirren are a lot better at Home so it's still worth having

But more to the point if Motherwell make it you'll still have at least a 4 point lead over 6th place with 5 games to go
 

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On 12/04/2024 at 10:24, topcat(The most tip top) said:

If Dundee stay up you're going to Paisley

Home Fixtures without switches
Hearts:17+3(Dundee,Rangers,St Mirren) = 20
Kilmarnock:17+3(Celtic,Dundee,Hearts) = 20
Rangers:17+3(Dundee,Kilmarnock,St Mirren) = 20


St Mirren:16+2(Celtic,Kilmarnock) = 18
Celtic:16+2(Hearts,Rangers) = 18
Dundee:16+2(Celtic,St Mirren) = 18

  • Hearts will need to go to Dundee, Rangers or St Mirren a 3rd time but as Rangers and St Mirren are needing to switch one home game already it's going to be Dundee.
  • Rangers won't go to Kilmarnock a 3rd time and Dundee are hosting Hearts so that leaves St Mirren
  • And by process of elimination Kilmarnock visit Parkhead again

Home Fixtures After switches

Hearts:17+2(Rangers,St Mirren but not Dundee,) = 19
Kilmarnock:17+2(Dundee,Hearts but not Celtic) = 19
Rangers:17+2(Dundee,Kilmarnock but not St Mirren) = 19

St Mirren:16+2+1(Celtic,Kilmarnock, plus Rangers) = 19
Celtic:16+2+1(Hearts,Rangers plus Kilmarnock) = 19
Dundee:16+2+1(Celtic,St Mirren plus Hearts) = 19


 



I don't think Celtic avoiding another trip to Rugby Park would go down well, nor would the imbalance of home Old Firm games between Killie and St Mirren.

I feel like it's a bit more likely that they end up with Killie and Hearts going to Dundee for a third time, Dundee and Rangers going to Paisley for a third time and St Mirren going to Parkhead for a third time.

 

Home Fixtures

Celtic  - Hearts, Rangers, St Mirren
Dundee - Celtic, Kilmarnock, Hearts
Hearts - Rangers, St Mirren
Kilmarnock - Celtic, Hearts
Rangers - Dundee, Kilmarnock
St Mirren - Dundee, Kilmarnock, Rangers

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So they’re waiting until after Wednesday’s game even though the top and bottom six are already confirmed. 

https://news.stv.tv/sport/spfl-post-split-fixtures-announcement-delayed-until-after-dundee-play-rangers

The reason being hinted at is that the result on Wednesday will influence when Celtic v Rangers is scheduled to avoid it being an outright decider. 

Which has two problems. The first is that it can be the first post-split fixture without being a decider, regardless of what happens on Wednesday. 

Second, it’s still pathetic that we want to avoid a winner-takes-all between our top 2, when almost every other league in the world would welcome it. 

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On 07/04/2024 at 10:40, Sergeant Wilson said:

We're a laughing stock in Europe. 

Normally people need to at least wait until the 7th placed team ends up with more points than the 6th placed one to come out with that one.

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