Butters Scotch Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, ArabianKnight said: I think Gallagher with Graham and Sevvy either side of him will be a decent back three. I'll not regurgitate the tactical breakdown I've seen on twitter but Sevvy will be stepping into midfield more from the back which means we'll notionally have a back two of Gallagher and Graham. Holt and Graham together just doesn't work. Going by the analysis and what Goodwin has said, I'm worried that there's a system that's trying to be implemented that's confusing some of the players and we'll not see any fluidity and togetherness until it clicks for the squad as a whole. If it ever clicks. Graham is a carthorse as is Gallagher and Holt is a championship player. They will be all be found out this season against better players. I'll be surprised if we don't sign another first choice CB in the coming weeks as we certainly need one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Arab Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Horrific yesterday. Anyway… Heard we have made a good offer to Alan Campbell. Wanted man though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loemba90 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Fife Arab said: Horrific yesterday. Anyway… Heard we have made a good offer to Alan Campbell. Wanted man though. Would be an interesting excellent signing but sure he’ll have a few options. Is the other Macedonian still looking likely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Arab Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Loemba90 said: Would be an interesting excellent signing but sure he’ll have a few options. Is the other Macedonian still looking likely? Would be huge especially looking at that midfield yesterday. macedonian was training Friday so assume that will be done soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardy23 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 14 minutes ago, Fife Arab said: macedonian was training Friday so assume that will be done soon might change his mind if he saw that shitshow yesterday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Why are we signing attacking midfielders for a formation that doesn't really fit them. Hmmmm 1 hour ago, Butters Scotch said: Graham is a carthorse as is Gallagher and Holt is a championship player. They will be all be found out this season against better players. I'll be surprised if we don't sign another first choice CB in the coming weeks as we certainly need one. Graham definitely is not a cart horse you philistine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I hate the 3 at the back thing. We were dreadful with it in our last season in the Prem. Yesterday we somehow seemed to simultaneously have no support up front and no midfield, while also being open at the back. It was like we only had 8 players on the pitch in the 2nd half. Still time for new arrivals and settling in, but a lot of the same old signs were there unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thenorthernlight Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 3 hours ago, ArabianKnight said: I think Gallagher with Graham and Sevvy either side of him will be a decent back three. I'll not regurgitate the tactical breakdown I've seen on twitter but Sevvy will be stepping into midfield more from the back which means we'll notionally have a back two of Gallagher and Graham. Holt and Graham together just doesn't work. Going by the analysis and what Goodwin has said, I'm worried that there's a system that's trying to be implemented that's confusing some of the players and we'll not see any fluidity and togetherness until it clicks for the squad as a whole. If it ever clicks. Goodwin is an absolute charlatan. A fraud. A tactical fuckwit. For your sake, you should hope he’s gone very soon 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 11 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: Why are we signing attacking midfielders for a formation that doesn't really fit them. Hmmmm Graham definitely is not a cart horse you philistine. Uhm cause we have no creativity and expect Watt to be the link up man in midfield, it's a sorry state of affairs. Do you really want to be going into this season with Graham as first choice? Think we really should be looking at better options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 7 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: I hate the 3 at the back thing. We were dreadful with it in our last season in the Prem. Yesterday we somehow seemed to simultaneously have no support up front and no midfield, while also being open at the back. It was like we only had 8 players on the pitch in the 2nd half. Still time for new arrivals and settling in, but a lot of the same old signs were there unfortunately. It's just another cyclical formation in football, majority of teams at the euros were playing this type of formation. Next season teams will revert back to a 443 or something else. IMO It doesn't really work well for us at our level as we don't have enough technical players that can keep control of the ball and pass it around, it's often very laboured with CB's passing it to one another for a while when the opposition gets 11 men behind the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior_Arab Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 30 minutes ago, Butters Scotch said: It's just another cyclical formation in football, majority of teams at the euros were playing this type of formation. Next season teams will revert back to a 443 or something else. IMO It doesn't really work well for us at our level as we don't have enough technical players that can keep control of the ball and pass it around, it's often very laboured with CB's passing it to one another for a while when the opposition gets 11 men behind the ball. 443 might be worth a try right enough. Not even sure that would help us at times though… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 27 minutes ago, Butters Scotch said: It's just another cyclical formation in football, majority of teams at the euros were playing this type of formation. Next season teams will revert back to a 443 or something else. IMO It doesn't really work well for us at our level as we don't have enough technical players that can keep control of the ball and pass it around, it's often very laboured with CB's passing it to one another for a while when the opposition gets 11 men behind the ball. I'm sure many defenders at Scottish level would prefer to blooter it away rather than attempt to pass it through the opposition, given their technical ability and that of many of the midfielders in front of them. I'm happy to see a passing game from a team who can actually pass AND move, and they can rely on a couple of pacy team mates. And to Goodwin: almost all managers are failures, that's football. The successful guys are those who are adaptable, and play to players' strengths, rather than those who think they can impose a rigid system. And, they've got to be liked by their staff these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Butters Scotch said: Uhm cause we have no creativity and expect Watt to be the link up man in midfield, it's a sorry state of affairs. Do you really want to be going into this season with Graham as first choice? Think we really should be looking at better options. So in a 5-2-3/3-4-3 formation where do these AMs go? One alongside Sibbald or Doc, or taking one of the LF or RF positions? Right side is tenuous with Middleton playing there yesterday and Fotheringham coming on to replace him, are these expected signings intended to replace them? I could see the shout to replace Middleton as he was poor yesterday but replace Kai who's probably the favourite of those two I'm not so sure. I'd much rather we were spending money on a solid defensive midfield or someone more defensively minded at least. I'm starting to get the vibe the recruitment is going to be a proper mess and some serious shoe horning is about to take place here. If we go to a back 4 do Ferry and Strain play comfortably as fullbacks? They are both quite attacking players. Does Goodwin see the wing backs providing width and United will go with attacking midfielders as part of the front 3. Lot of questions to be answered at the moment and I'm not sure I'm going to like the outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Thenorthernlight said: Goodwin is an absolute charlatan. A fraud. A tactical fuckwit. For your sake, you should hope he’s gone very soon He signed a player that is likely to make you millions so I wouldn't be too quick to criticise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 hours ago, PartyFears2 said: This was your Saturday night. Christ Was doing other things as well m8. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, ArabianKnight said: So in a 5-2-3/3-4-3 formation where do these AMs go? One alongside Sibbald or Doc, or taking one of the LF or RF positions? Right side is tenuous with Middleton playing there yesterday and Fotheringham coming on to replace him, are these expected signings intended to replace them? I could see the shout to replace Middleton as he was poor yesterday but replace Kai who's probably the favourite of those two I'm not so sure. I'd much rather we were spending money on a solid defensive midfield or someone more defensively minded at least. I'm starting to get the vibe the recruitment is going to be a proper mess and some serious shoe horning is about to take place here. If we go to a back 4 do Ferry and Strain play comfortably as fullbacks? They are both quite attacking players. Does Goodwin see the wing backs providing width and United will go with attacking midfielders as part of the front 3. Lot of questions to be answered at the moment and I'm not sure I'm going to like the outcome. I think It'll be a similar formation that Scotland played at the euros, one up top (Moult/Watt) with two CAM's or wide attackers in behind (Trap/Babu/Fotheringham). A bit like last season, I can't see it working too well with three at the back personally, it'll be boring games to watch and we will end up reverting to 4 at the back a couple months into the season as soon as we hit a bad run of form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I’d be happy with any team, formation and tactics which sees whoever we are playing as striker not isolated when we’re mounting an attack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naegoodinthedark Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Hendo said: He signed a player that is likely to make you millions so I wouldn't be too quick to criticise. Yeah, he'd have been the best player in the Championship if Jim hadn't been sacked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 13/07/2024 at 18:46, Mark Connolly said: It's ok lads, it was a deal I did with the devil to ensure the correct result tomorrow night. You are all very welcome 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groot Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Right Utd, a week of signings please. 3 minimum! By God we need them. The boy Campbell would be coup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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