Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 hours ago, Thejackdaw said: Why not go the whole hog and open it up to clubs from Dublin, the place where Clydebank nearly ended up but instead us poor buggers got landed with them .............................................. Not my cup so batter in and do what you want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thejackdaw Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Not my cup so batter in and do what you want. Sweet . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kenneth of Eadie Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 6 hours ago, Thejackdaw said: Why not go the whole hog and open it up to clubs from Dublin, the place where Clydebank nearly ended up but instead us poor buggers got landed with them .............................................. Drunk post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thejackdaw Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 minutes ago, Sir Kenneth of Eadie said: Drunk post. Coffee post first thing in the morning . Glad it got a reaction though.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judge macbrayne Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 59 minutes ago, Thejackdaw said: Coffee post first thing in the morning . Glad it got a reaction though.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) On 15/06/2024 at 19:28, FairWeatherFan said: If there's 122 SJFA members now and at least 6 notes of interest. Get ready to move on from two-legged semi finals, to the potential need for an entirely new round being required. Last season 15 clubs in the Scottish Cup + 1 other given a bye into the last 64. So 48 spaces available, requiring a 48 match first round (96 teams, 112 total). This season 17 clubs in the Scottish Cup (Dunipace and Sauchie) so only 47 spaces available for the last 64 (meaning 94 teams in the first round). Unless my working is wrong a preliminary round would be required to whittle down the 122+ entrants for the first round if the Scottish Cup entrants are still going to get a bye. Kenny posting about more applications: Edited June 16 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 15/06/2024 at 11:26, energyzone said: How are other leagues and clubs trying to block their efforts? EOS BAD or something 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkyRobRoy Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Think its time that Kennie chooses what hat he is actually wearing and come away from the directly competing organisation Absolute shambles that the fixture secretary is actively promoting a competition that plays havoc with the league that he arranges the fixtures for 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coistysgoldenboots Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 42 minutes ago, KirkyRobRoy said: Think its time that Kennie chooses what hat he is actually wearing and come away from the directly competing organisation Absolute shambles that the fixture secretary is actively promoting a competition that plays havoc with the league that he arranges the fixtures for Totally agree. It’s rank amateur stuff and not healthy for the game. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, KirkyRobRoy said: Think its time that Kennie chooses what hat he is actually wearing and come away from the directly competing organisation Absolute shambles that the fixture secretary is actively promoting a competition that plays havoc with the league that he arranges the fixtures for Is Kennie living in past glories? Like it or not, the Junior Cup is past its sell-by date and should be put out to grass. No denying that prior to the mass move of East Region Teams to the EoS set-up, the West Region teams were dominant. However from 2010 Linlithgow and Musselburgh both got to the Junior Cup Finals on two occasions each. Roll on to 2021-22, Yoker got to final. In 2022-23, they were playing in the West of Scotland 2nd Division, finishing 6th (still in that division). In 2022-23, Rutherglen Glencairn got to final & finished 9th in WoS 1st Division (still in that division). In 2023-24, Arthurlie got to final and got relegated from WoS Premier League. Previous season, they finished 4th bottom, just 2-pts above last relegation position. Realistically, all things being equal, Yoker, Rutherglen or Arthurlie would not have contested the Junior Cup Final if old set up was still in place. So why do teams still think it best to play in a cup that is diminished in stature? As said previously, very few teams can be confident in making money from all their troubles/travels. Absolutely beats me why Sauchie + Dunipace are showing an interest this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, Casey Jones said: Realistically, all things being equal, Yoker, Rutherglen or Arthurlie would not have contested the Junior Cup Final if old set up was still in place. I do get your point, but you won't be surprised that I don't necessarily agree with you. In 2013 (prior to the mass exodus from the East Region to the EoSFL) Glencairn reached the semi final, and only missed out on the final due to a flukey own goal for Auchinleck and the worst incorrect offside decision in history denying us an equaliser. That season we finished 6th in the old West Region Super League Division One, the equivalent of the WoSFL First Division where we are just now. Sometimes lower League teams reach the final. Shotts Bon Accord won the Scottish Junior Cup from the same league the season before we reached the semi final. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, Casey Jones said: Is Kennie living in past glories? Like it or not, the Junior Cup is past its sell-by date and should be put out to grass. No denying that prior to the mass move of East Region Teams to the EoS set-up, the West Region teams were dominant. However from 2010 Linlithgow and Musselburgh both got to the Junior Cup Finals on two occasions each. Roll on to 2021-22, Yoker got to final. In 2022-23, they were playing in the West of Scotland 2nd Division, finishing 6th (still in that division). In 2022-23, Rutherglen Glencairn got to final & finished 9th in WoS 1st Division (still in that division). In 2023-24, Arthurlie got to final and got relegated from WoS Premier League. Previous season, they finished 4th bottom, just 2-pts above last relegation position. Realistically, all things being equal, Yoker, Rutherglen or Arthurlie would not have contested the Junior Cup Final if old set up was still in place. So why do teams still think it best to play in a cup that is diminished in stature? As said previously, very few teams can be confident in making money from all their troubles/travels. Absolutely beats me why Sauchie + Dunipace are showing an interest this year. Conversely, Yoker, Rutherglen and Arthurlie would have made a fair bit of cash for getting to the final (especially Arthurlie with two-legged semi final). So if getting to the latter stages is now achievable for clubs in lower divisions then I can see the attraction. The problem I have with the SJC at present is that it's a halfway house. Part of the attraction was a draw against one of the big East clubs who you would never have normally drawn otherwise. But this is now the elephant in the room with the SJFA - reading their social media it's as if nothing has changed from 10 years ago. There's no acceptance that the cup is majorly devalued. There's no hint of a strategy other than to appeal for new entrants. Meanwhile the usual fixture congestion occurs at the end of every season and the core business - the leagues - stretch out for weeks without acknowledgement of one of the main causes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, Casey Jones said: Absolutely beats me why Sauchie + Dunipace are showing an interest this year. Sauchie, Dunipace, and Camelon will find themselves bumping into the busy season of EoS Premier, Scottish, SCC, EoS Qualifying Cup commitments in Sep/Oct. Decent chance they could end up withdrawing without kicking a ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurlie1981 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 10 hours ago, Casey Jones said: Is Kennie living in past glories? Like it or not, the Junior Cup is past its sell-by date and should be put out to grass. No denying that prior to the mass move of East Region Teams to the EoS set-up, the West Region teams were dominant. However from 2010 Linlithgow and Musselburgh both got to the Junior Cup Finals on two occasions each. Roll on to 2021-22, Yoker got to final. In 2022-23, they were playing in the West of Scotland 2nd Division, finishing 6th (still in that division). In 2022-23, Rutherglen Glencairn got to final & finished 9th in WoS 1st Division (still in that division). In 2023-24, Arthurlie got to final and got relegated from WoS Premier League. Previous season, they finished 4th bottom, just 2-pts above last relegation position. Realistically, all things being equal, Yoker, Rutherglen or Arthurlie would not have contested the Junior Cup Final if old set up was still in place. So why do teams still think it best to play in a cup that is diminished in stature? As said previously, very few teams can be confident in making money from all their troubles/travels. Absolutely beats me why Sauchie + Dunipace are showing an interest this year. It's a fair point but to counter it Rob Roy made the South Challenge Cup final and got relegated this season! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Davy Boy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 15/06/2024 at 19:28, FairWeatherFan said: According to Kennie it's only open to Pyramid clubs below Tier 5. suddenly theres a lowland league club havuing there application considered when its not even open for them to enter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clansman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, Big Davy Boy said: suddenly theres a lowland league club havuing there application considered when its not even open for them to enter Who is the Lowland League team ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 13 minutes ago, Big Davy Boy said: suddenly theres a lowland league club havuing there application considered when its not even open for them to enter The SJFA have spent the last few years making up their rules around membership and 'guests'. Hardly surprising they can't keep track and make it up as they go along. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eadie is God Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 13 minutes ago, clansman said: Who is the Lowland League team ? Good luck with getting that clubs cup tie scheduled 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 16 hours ago, Casey Jones said: Is Kennie living in past glories? Like it or not, the Junior Cup is past its sell-by date and should be put out to grass. No denying that prior to the mass move of East Region Teams to the EoS set-up, the West Region teams were dominant. However from 2010 Linlithgow and Musselburgh both got to the Junior Cup Finals on two occasions each. Roll on to 2021-22, Yoker got to final. In 2022-23, they were playing in the West of Scotland 2nd Division, finishing 6th (still in that division). In 2022-23, Rutherglen Glencairn got to final & finished 9th in WoS 1st Division (still in that division). In 2023-24, Arthurlie got to final and got relegated from WoS Premier League. Previous season, they finished 4th bottom, just 2-pts above last relegation position. Realistically, all things being equal, Yoker, Rutherglen or Arthurlie would not have contested the Junior Cup Final if old set up was still in place. So why do teams still think it best to play in a cup that is diminished in stature? As said previously, very few teams can be confident in making money from all their troubles/travels. Absolutely beats me why Sauchie + Dunipace are showing an interest this year. Nobody is claiming that it is the principal tournament at this level anymore but as long as enough clubs benefit from it it's going nowhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, Shanner said: Nobody is claiming that it is the principal tournament at this level anymore........ Are you sure ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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