Junior_Arab Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 6 minutes ago, SpoonTon said: 24 team Euros has really changed the narrative. We haven't reached the final 16 since 1996. We were in an 8 team Euros in 92 and we were making our as if this would have been a historical achievements. We're just still failing on shifted goalposts. Which isn't to say that we haven't been better under Clarke than most others, or that the last couple of qualifying campaigns haven't been better than most other campaigns this century. But it's been a relatively marginal improvement helped by shifted goalposts. Yeah, but membership of UEFA has risen from 31 to 55 since the 90s. 1 good USSR team has become umpteen different sides, 4 or 5 of which are very good in their own right. Yugoslavia are now Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Macedonia, none of whom are pushovers. So yeah, there are more spots available but there’s far more competition for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 29 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Not sure Hungary were much better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post An Absolute Imposter Posted June 23 Popular Post Share Posted June 23 If thats the best we as a footballing nation can produce, time we found a new national sport. As my friend @Arthurlie1981stated in an earlier post, the malaise starts at youth level. As a youth coach I have seen many a promising kid whisked off to pro-youth only to return a few years later a lesser player than when he left. The scouts from pro-youth are sent out with quotas to fill; a centre-half, a right sided midfielder, not picking up the best talent. I have done the SFA youth coaching courses and to be honest don't feel they are aimed at developing young talent or teaching them any game awareness of intelligence. Guys like Gilmour, McGinn and McGregor are talented; but at international level they look way short. We have been the poorest team in this tournament. Basic football skills are not there. First touch, simple passing, control, movement and pitch awareness are lacking. What is needed is a proper review like Germany had in the early 2000's. I refuse to believe Scotland does not have talented, intelligent footballers out there. A first step would be to teach them at a young age to love the ball, not treat it like some diseased leper. If we don't want to end up in the footballing wilderness, something has to change now. Are our top clubs producing any quality players from the academy's. Don't see any evidence of it. As a footballing nation we seem to be regressing and are being left behind by most other nations. Have watched every other game in Euros and enjoyed the quality and intricacies of both teams, watching Scotland is pure torture. Bring on the red dots, will only prove further to me my thinking is right. 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishLoon Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, kent_don said: Clarke was also asking why an Argentinian was in charge of a euros competition. Course he was, clutching at everything he can that doesn't involve his decisions 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Tbf if that's his ongoing justification - how many previous managers had 23 or 24 places to aim for, with top 2s qualifying automatically plus a sort of "repechage" for 3 or 4 more places some of which are ringfenced for lower brackets? e.g. we qualified for Euro 2020 despite finishing 3rd in qualifying: since we'd finished above Israel + Albania in Nations League then beat Israel + Serbia on penalties. He's absolutely improved us but it's equally fair to say we should always be aiming to qualify for Euros when near enough half the continent gets in: the goal should be reaching the knockouts given two-thirds of finalists do and 3rd place gets out of most groups. We've twice finished on 1pt with bad GF v GA. Totally legitimate to question his continuing trajectory. Don't disagree with any of that. I only question someone ignoring the improvements (marginal or not) he's made. He made them into a team, one players wanted to be involved with, because it wasn't always like that before he came in. And he gave the fans a bit of hope again. The fact he's not managed to get any further than that is probably as much down to a lack of enough quality the team, and his own shortcomings as a manager. Edited June 23 by s_dog Spelling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior_Arab Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, Ned Nederlander said: The fact that not one outlet has us down for a shot on target tells you all you need to know about most of these stats. What about Hanley late on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 7 minutes ago, S7C said: We have to remember he's got us qualified for two major tournaments after we hadn't for so long. We hadn't for so long because there wasn't a back door Conference League failure option for the first of these. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia Gentile Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 11 minutes ago, Elixir said: Apparently the 17 shots stat is a tournament record since they started recording them in 1980. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I’m done. Can’t put myself through this again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, kent_don said: Clarke was also asking why an Argentinian was in charge of a euros competition. This is his 'genetics'. Tbh like Strachan I was happy for him to stay on up untill their interview after the game. It was a ridiculous remark. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Steve Clarke is not the problem, lack of football skills is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, Junior_Arab said: Yeah, but membership of UEFA has risen from 31 to 55 since the 90s. 1 good USSR team has become umpteen different sides, 4 or 5 of which are very good in their own right. Yugoslavia are now Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Macedonia, none of whom are pushovers. So yeah, there are more spots available but there’s far more competition for them. In 1992 25% of team qualified, now 45% of teams do. We've not got to a World Cup because it's not easy to qualify for. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Clarke should be making a very public apology to all those people who travelled and to those at home, for the disgraceful performances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 minutes ago, An Absolute Imposter said: Steve Clarke is not the problem, lack of football skills is. I think it’s both. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Junior_Arab said: The fact that not one outlet has us down for a shot on target tells you all you need to know about most of these stats. What about Hanley late on? One additional shot on target doesn't skew those stats much, I genuinely thought we were going to do it towards the end there but I'd still claim Hungary were the better of the two. Edited June 23 by Ned Nederlander 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need2Speak2Caesar Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I think Steve Clarke will walk now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 16 minutes ago, Elixir said: Grim. 6 minutes ago, kent_don said: Clarke was also asking why an Argentinian was in charge of a euros competition. Bizarre. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 It’s all pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 My tuppence worth is that we needed to have all our players fit and firing in order to get out of the groups. The loss of Dykes and Hickey and to a lesser extent Ferguson was a huge blow to us. imagine if we had been able to bring on Doak to run at the Hungary defence for the last 15 minutes? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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