Popular Post BucksburnDandy Posted June 26 Popular Post Share Posted June 26 A big problem is the attitude of the entire Scottish footballing establishment. 1) In terms of the national team, getting to a tournament is enough for pundits and those within the game as well as the SFA board. That is the limit of their ambition. Pundits almost to a man have rallied round Clarke (see McCoist for one example) when he should be absolutely hung out to dry for the way we played. Ewan Murray is the journalist closest to the anger the fans feel about the complete failure, the rest of them are all pulling their punches when they should be absolutely eviscerating Clarke and the players. The fact is that social media, on here and group chats are all being far more critical in a measured way of Clarke and the players than any media outlet. 2) In terms of youth development, clubs don't play enough young Scottish players anymore. It's not big spending like the early 00s but we are back to the scenario of teams being chalk full of absolute dross with no plan to change it. My club are a prime example with pish like Shayden Morris and Richard Jensen to name two getting game time. Rather than have a national plan to elevate the entire game with Scottish players at the core, clubs are more worried about petty rivalries and cutting each other down. Clubs are also happy to be absolutely shite on the European stage and produce a shite domestic product. So we just circle the drain of not playing enough players and watching our game fall to a poorer state. 3) Even if players come through, the limit of their ambition is join Rangers or Celtic and rot on the bench or go to England. We should have absolutely no shame in producing a plan to get boys 100 games and get them sold to the likes of Italy, France, Germany and Spain to help players become more rounded. We should be looking for players to become more rounded to develop in high quality leagues with better tactical minds who can educate them and bring them on in ways the UK game can't. 4) Absolutely no one in any position of power wants to understand the anger that fans have towards the game in general, they just arrogantly serve up the same crap time and time again knowing that because football is a religion for most of us, we will still turn out. That's not just the national team, a prime example would be the ICT hierarchy serving up Kelty. Thankfully the days of the entire Tartan Army accepting shite are gone, there's been a good, strong reaction of upset and anger at what has happened. I know a lot of what I said may not be popular particularly taking pot shots at the quality of the domestic game. But sadly it is true. I'm getting more angry by the day at how bad this last fortnight was from Scotland. Tl; Dr I thought I would mellow to our exit but it has angered me more and more all week 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, Butters Scotch said: Accept that he isn't a defensive midfielder you tit He's a water carrier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 25 minutes ago, George Parr said: But as long as the “tartan army” had a lovely time in a square… You know that literally nobody says or thinks that, right? Including and especially those who were in the squares? 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I mentioned this elsewhere but do the national team have any sports psychologists? Can’t see anything on the SFA website. Easy to find for other national teams. Robertsons comments about being boys being scared of Germany or whatever were remarkable for a top 5 league and champions league winning professional sportsman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 God forbid the fans enjoy themselves when paying several thousands to go to a tournament. 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Yogi with Ancelotti as DoF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Remember when The Tartan Army celebrated a goal kick 3 minutes into the tournament? Pishing in a fountain was the main objective. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Just now, Melanius Mullarkey said: I mentioned this elsewhere but do the national team have any sports psychologists? Can’t see anything on the SFA website. Easy to find for other national teams. Robertsons comments about being boys being scared of Germany or whatever were remarkable for a top 5 league and champions league winning professional sportsman. They will do. They'll have a consultant that will come with the team for a few weeks I believe. What scope they're given is another discussion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Amusing Pseudonym Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 8 minutes ago, GordonS said: You know that literally nobody says or thinks that, right? Including and especially those who were in the squares? Bang on. I was there for all 3 games and had a great trip but me and the folk I was with were fizzing at the first and last performances. Ludicrous to suggest making the most of a major finals is some sort of issue. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogoftheskye Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 38 minutes ago, BucksburnDandy said: 3) Even if players come through, the limit of their ambition is join Rangers or Celtic and rot on the bench or go to England. We should have absolutely no shame in producing a plan to get boys 100 games and get them sold to the likes of Italy, France, Germany and Spain to help players become more rounded. We should be looking for players to become more rounded to develop in high quality leagues with better tactical minds who can educate them and bring them on in ways the UK game can't. This. Where would Hickey and Ferguson be now without the intervention of Bologna? It would be hard to track down now, but that fraud Levein actually suggested on Sportsound a few years back that Hickey's potential was limited. We haven't even got coaches in this country that have a basic recognition for actual talent and how to develop it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 53 minutes ago, George Parr said: But as long as the “tartan army” had a lovely time in a square… Do you think the national team would have performed better if its fans had sat at home biting their nails and dreading the games? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Completely unmitigated disaster. Heads should roll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Lex said: If all 24 teams were put in a big league table Scotland would be 24th, with 1 point and a goal difference of -5. If our goal was not to finish 24th from 24 then we could have probably held on for the draw against Hungary to lift us up to 21st. What difference does it make if you finish 19th, 21st or 24th? You're still out of the competition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogoftheskye Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, 2426255 said: If our goal was not to finish 24th from 24 then we could have probably held on for the draw against Hungary to lift us up to 21st. What difference does it make if you finish 19th, 21st or 24th? You're still out of the competition. Are you like a sort of football Jordan Peterson, Mr Numbers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 56 minutes ago, ogoftheskye said: This. Where would Hickey and Ferguson be now without the intervention of Bologna? It would be hard to track down now, but that fraud Levein actually suggested on Sportsound a few years back that Hickey's potential was limited. We haven't even got coaches in this country that have a basic recognition for actual talent and how to develop it. The number of coaches, managers. Etc who passed on Andy Robertson at various stages of his career is as tragic as it is hilarious. We really do have a bunch of chimps at the wheel in this country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 49 minutes ago, ogoftheskye said: Are you like a sort of football Jordan Peterson, Mr Numbers? No. It makes no difference if we finish 19th, 21st or 24th. We're still out of the tournament. I don't remember finishing 22nd being used to soften criticism after Euro-2020, happy to be corrected if it was. If that was important then we'd probably have tried and succeeded to hold on for a point against Hungary. The reason we didn't try that is because it makes no difference whether we finish 19th, 21st or 24th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManBearPig Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: I mentioned this elsewhere but do the national team have any sports psychologists? Can’t see anything on the SFA website. Easy to find for other national teams. Robertsons comments about being boys being scared of Germany or whatever were remarkable for a top 5 league and champions league winning professional sportsman. I'm pretty sure he said the same thing when we got humped by Russia a few years ago. I don't think he should be captain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, allyo said: Don't know what you're complaining about. We scored over a goal more than expected. It’s a good point this. We actually carried a lot of fortune in our three games. We scored two of the freakiest goals of the tournament. The only clear cut chance we created in three games was Hanley hitting the post from a set piece. Our opponents hit the bar, hit the post and had, was it three goals disallowed for marginal offsides? Gunn must have made four or five very good saves too. Edited June 27 by Lex 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 7 hours ago, AMMjag said: Do you think the national team would have performed better if its fans had sat at home biting their nails and dreading the games? No. But I think it would be helpful if our drunkard support could lose the "just happy to be here for the party" mentality and be even marginally more demanding and critical in real-time of a team that feels comfortable enough to skoosh through entire matches without creating a shot on target. -10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Scotia Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 44 minutes ago, George Parr said: No. But I think it would be helpful if our drunkard support could lose the "just happy to be here for the party" mentality and be even marginally more demanding and critical in real-time of a team that feels comfortable enough to skoosh through entire matches without creating a shot on target. Sorry but that post is just nonsense. I like others on here was over in Germany and I like others that were there are fuming with the performance. For many that trip to Germany was also a holiday. Do you expect people to just mope around every other day and not enjoy their stay there? Not ever fan is a drunkard, was drunk or did even drink. managers and players of clubs and nations talk about the support and the noise from their supporters to sometimes get the team going (the old the team need to score to get the crowd going and the crowd need to make noise to get the team going) Scotland fans man, woman and child gave their everything at every game right from the very start and were also critical How dare they then enjoy a beer, juice and bite to eat when there isn't a game on eh? Edited June 27 by Glen Scotia Edit 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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