What is the point of labour ?

[Dunning1874]

Biggest increase in vote share for a governing party in a Westminster by-election ever.

Labour are going to argue this is purely about Brexit Party voters moving to the Tories, with their increase of 23% corresponding with 24.6% drop for BP/Ref UK. However that doesn't explain Labour's vote share falling 9%, or that in numbers they've gone from 15,464 votes to 8589.

If Labour had even held onto their 2019 vote the Tory majority would only have been 65. If they'd gone back to 2017 levels they'd have a majority of over 5000. Instead, the Labour vote has collapsed and the Tory majority is 6940. Brexit doesn't explain 7000 Labour voters disappearing in two years.

Pasokification is actually happening.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Dunning1874

[Dons_1988]

The UK is going to be tory for a very long time, isn't it?

[sparky88]

19 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Pasokification is actually happening.

Let's hope it never happens in Scotland.

[jamamafegan]

[quote post="14438244" timestamp="1620369362" name="Dunning1874" userid="10614"
Pasokification is actually happening.


Had never heard of that until now. Why is it happening? It’s a sorry state of affairs.

[Highlandmagar]

42 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

The answer doesn't lie to the left. 

It certainly doesn't lie to the far right that England are going.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

It looks like Labour have disintegrated south of the border in the same way that they have in Scotland. Humiliating. 

It started under Corbyn, and his shameful unwillingness to take on the Tories over Brexit, and it's continued under Starmer and his bumbling inability to challenge and confront the most deceitful, incompetent, right-wing PM in UK history. 

Labour need to decide who they are and who they represent. Do they want to be the left-wing party that represents militant socialists but turns off the middle ground, or do they want to challenge for the middle ground and become the party of the many millions in England that are appalled by the Tories and want progressive, liberal government ?

They're caught in-between two stools at the moment, and the middle ground is being swallowed up by Brexity, right wing gammons while Labour flail around. 

I pity the good people of England. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Bob Mahelp

[doulikefish]

49 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Conservative majority of 6940
Labour
"Keith"

What an absolute binfire of a political party

 

[Monkey Tennis]

49 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Conservative majority of 6940
Labour
"Keith"

What an absolute binfire of a political party

I don't really understand the glee about this.

[Highlandmagar]

Just now, Monkey Tennis said:

I don't really understand the glee about this.

Indeed. As Scottish voters seemingly shiting themselves over independence we are saddled with England for a long time. Depressing. 

[dirty dingus]

Just now, Monkey Tennis said:

I don't really understand the glee about this.

Maybe it will give the Labour supporters in Scotland a chance to change the direction of their party to move to a less hard nosed unionist view on the constitution instead of being the Tories yoon attack dogs.

 

[TheScarf]

21 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

The UK is going to be tory for a very long time, isn't it?

Yes, because English people have a raging hard on/wetty for war and cumming/squirting on flags and the current government are no different.

[Paco]

I’m not really a fan of him, but the obvious move to make for Labour, ideally right now, is to punt Starmer and bring in Andy Burnham.

It still wouldn’t be enough to win the next election, but he’d likely take back much of the ‘red wall’ if nothing else.

[J_Stewart]

I don't really understand the glee about this.

It’s funny because the exact same party had the chance to be a progressive force in British politics, provide a genuine left leaning option for the populace, but instead, knee capped themselves from inside, with the sabotage coming from centristcunts like Starmer. It’s the “you made your bed, filled it with hedgehogs and human faeces, and now I will laugh whilst you lie in it” principle.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

44 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Biggest increase in vote share for a governing party in a Westminster by-election ever.

Labour are going to argue this is purely about Brexit Party voters moving to the Tories, with their increase of 23% corresponding with 24.6% drop for BP/Ref UK. However that doesn't explain Labour's vote share falling 9%, or that in numbers they've gone from 15,464 votes to 8589.

If Labour had even held onto their 2019 vote the Tory majority would only have been 65. If they'd gone back to 2017 levels they'd have a majority of over 5000. Instead, the Labour vote has collapsed and the Tory majority is 6940. Brexit doesn't explain 7000 Labour voters disappearing in two years.

Pasokification is actually happening.

This has less to do with the Labour Party, shambolic and supine as they are, and more to do with the English electorate, and almost all of it, plunging further down a right-wing dead end characterised by ignorance, xenophobia and beggar-thy-neighbour attitudes.  I had family in Hartlepool and frequented it when they weighed the vote for Labour's Ted Leadbitter.  But that was when people had jobs, trade union representation and above all a sense of political engagement and intelligence.  Sadly, swathes of England have now regressed to the 1930's - Mortimer could have read Mussolini on that Hartlepool ballot paper.

Edited May 7, 2021 by O'Kelly Isley III

[Dons_1988]

7 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Yes, because English people have a raging hard on/wetty for war and cumming/squirting on flags and the current government are no different.

You mean you didn't enjoy the French fishermen leaving at the end of their protest running away from her majesty's navy?

[flyingscot]

It's sort of astonishing that. 

Certainly it helps that the Tories have got back the UKIP / Brexit vote and that isn't split. But after everything that has come out, Brexit being well rubbish, sleaze, corruption, mismanaging Covid, people went yeah I prefer that to Labour. That's quite something. 

I get the fact that Corbyn wasn't he best leader but Starmer is a wet weekend and  'Boris' still has this personality that people seem to go to. 

This might not be a terrible thing for Labour I guess as this has been a long time coming. Sure the margins are huge but it would have happened in 2019 too to a lesser extent without Brexit Party. They need to work out where to go, post Brexit, but they need to sound different and run some policies and sound different. The current party plays well to metropolitan voters in London etc and it will probably win the mayor vote but seem to go down badly with working class voters in regions.  

Edited May 7, 2021 by flyingscot

[ayrmad]

5 minutes ago, J_Stewart said:

 

It’s funny because the exact same party had the chance to be a progressive force in British politics, provide a genuine left leaning option for the populace, but instead, knee capped themselves from inside, with the sabotage coming from centristcunts like Starmer. It’s the “you made your bed, filled it with hedgehogs and human faeces, and now I will laugh whilst you lie in it” principle.

 

The centre is where it's at down there, anywhere left is a waste of time IMO. 

[jamamafegan]

It’s no surprise Hartlepool was lost and it shows that we need to GTF out of the UK ASAP. The political landscape in south of the border is totally fucked. It’s hard to imagine anything than a Conservative government for at least the next decade, and even then who is going to step up and offer credible opposition? Labour are finished. They need to start all over again. How long will that recovery take? Will they ever recover? We face a prospect of being tied to a Conservative government for the rest of our days if we cannot secure independence.

[ayrmad]

1 minute ago, jamamafegan said:

It’s no surprise Hartlepool was lost and it shows that we need to GTF out of the UK ASAP. The political landscape in south of the border is totally fucked. It’s hard to imagine anything than a Conservative government for at least the next decade, and even then who is going to step up and offer credible opposition? Labour are finished. They need to start all over again. How long will that recovery take? Will they ever recover? We face a prospect of being tied to a Conservative government for the rest of our days if we cannot secure independence.

If only someone up here was shouting about independence. 

[doulikefish]

7 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Met the Labour party at a charity do once, they were surprisingly down to earth and very funny.