What is the point of labour ?

[O'Kelly Isley III]

3 hours ago, StellarHibee said:

So with the most recent of recent u-turns on taxing private schools. What's actually left?

A ban on kilts, and Anas will fall into line.

[Salt n Vinegar]

2 hours ago, orfc said:

Hurray, a full house of nats not reading the content

Labour are not removing private schools charity status, but they will slap VAT on fees which does the same thing but with less red tape

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-attacks-labour-plan-for-vat-on-private-school-fees

"Hurray, a full house of nats"* who having looked at Starmer's and Labour's record on u-turns wouldn't have been in the least surprised if they HAD u-turned on the vat issue.  The surprise will be if they actually stick to it under the fire of the Tories' media barons.

(* Loosely defined as anyone not seeing much difference between the two cheeks.)

[Suspect Device]

 

They should ban private schools completely. Like Finland.

They are just another way of the elite maintaining their grip on society. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Look at the top of society and where they were educated. The same schools will keep coming up because it is not just the education that their parents are paying for, it's the network. Far more important than your qualifications.

[Granny Danger]

3 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

 

They should ban private schools completely. Like Finland.

They are just another way of the elite maintaining their grip on society. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Look at the top of society and where they were educated. The same schools will keep coming up because it is not just the education that their parents are paying for, it's the network. Far more important than your qualifications.

There’s a discussion on one of the other threads about ‘integration’.

No private schools or faith schools would be a big move towards that.

[itzdrk]

15 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

 

They should ban private schools completely. Like Finland.

They are just another way of the elite maintaining their grip on society. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Look at the top of society and where they were educated. The same schools will keep coming up because it is not just the education that their parents are paying for, it's the network. Far more important than your qualifications.

I'd argue that they aren't paying for the education whatsoever.  

[BFTD]

7 hours ago, Highlandmagar said:

Outlaw Unions?

Easy, tiger. We have to wait for the Tories to unveil their new measures to prevent workers from striking. Then Labour can either condemn them, but admit that they just won't be able to change anything in power, or say they're eager to vote to introduce any anti-union measures but the Tories are taking too long and they aren't harsh enough anyway.

[StellarHibee]

8 hours ago, orfc said:

Hurray, a full house of nats not reading the content

Labour are not removing private schools charity status, but they will slap VAT on fees which does the same thing but with less red tape

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-attacks-labour-plan-for-vat-on-private-school-fees

"Analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies has estimated that adding VAT to private school fees could raise a net £1.3bn to £1.5bn a year, which Labour has said it would use to recruit 6,500 more teachers."

Will that be 6,500 more teachers for public schools, or 6,500 more teachers for private schools?

Unsurprisingly, they don't say.

[Boo Khaki]

Always find it a touch amusing that these declarations are always made as if there are 6500 teachers, 20,000 police, 10,000 nurses etc just sitting around with their thumbs up their arses waiting to be 'recruited'.

People are avoiding these professions like the plague, leaving in droves, and choosing to study other disciplines. Where the f**k do they plan on recruiting all these professionals who simply do not exist?

[StellarHibee]

31 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Always find it a touch amusing that these declarations are always made as if there are 6500 teachers, 20,000 police, 10,000 nurses etc just sitting around with their thumbs up their arses waiting to be 'recruited'.

People are avoiding these professions like the plague, leaving in droves, and choosing to study other disciplines. Where the f**k do they plan on recruiting all these professionals who simply do not exist?

Oh they exist. But we told them to bugger off in 2016.

[Crùbag]

19 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

A ban on kilts, and Anas will fall into line.

Done.

[Wee Bully]

On 29/09/2023 at 13:44, orfc said:

Hurray, a full house of nats not reading the content

Labour are not removing private schools charity status, but they will slap VAT on fees which does the same thing but with less red tape

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-attacks-labour-plan-for-vat-on-private-school-fees

Em, it doesn’t do “the same thing”. 
 

The biggest benefit of charitable status is National Non-Domestic Rates Relief, and of course no Corporation Tax on any “surplus”.  

[Granny Danger]

5 hours ago, Crùbag said:

Done.

That’s the sort of thing my wife tells people about us.

 

 

 

And it’s just as true.

[BFTD]

On 30/09/2023 at 09:00, Crùbag said:

Done.

Yes, but those nasty bad boy Scottish Nationalists all creepily sing from the same hymn sheet, and that's bad.

[Billy Jean King]

On 30/09/2023 at 14:00, Wee Bully said:

Em, it doesn’t do “the same thing”. 
 

The biggest benefit of charitable status is National Non-Domestic Rates Relief, and of course no Corporation Tax on any “surplus”.  

Didn't the Barclay review remove the relief albeit it's introduction was delayed due to Covid ?

ETA the Barclay review removed the SG funding provided to LAs to award the mandatory and discretionary elements so it's a defacto removal of the relief as any LA awarding it would need to fund it as the SG no longer do.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Billy Jean King

[tamthebam]

On 30/09/2023 at 07:08, Boo Khaki said:

Always find it a touch amusing that these declarations are always made as if there are 6500 teachers, 20,000 police, 10,000 nurses etc just sitting around with their thumbs up their arses waiting to be 'recruited'.

People are avoiding these professions like the plague, leaving in droves, and choosing to study other disciplines. Where the f**k do they plan on recruiting all these professionals who simply do not exist?

I think I'm too old for the Polis but if I was guaranteed to get to belt naughty OF fans with a baton* then I'll give it a go

 

 

*I think you're living in the realms of fantasy there, Tam

[strichener]

21 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

Didn't the Barclay review remove the relief albeit it's introduction was delayed due to Covid ?

ETA the Barclay review removed the SG funding provided to LAs to award the mandatory and discretionary elements so it's a defacto removal of the relief as any LA awarding it would need to fund it as the SG no longer do.

 

You are still ignoring corporation tax, the tax relief on donations and the fact that the above is only applicable to Scotland.

[Billy Jean King]

4 hours ago, strichener said:

You are still ignoring corporation tax, the tax relief on donations and the fact that the above is only applicable to Scotland.

Eh ? All I was doing was clarifying the NDR position for private schools in Scotland.  

[strichener]

32 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Eh ? All I was doing was clarifying the NDR position for private schools in Scotland.  

Apologies, I thought it was yourself that had stated that the removal of VAT and the removal of charitable status were effectively the same thing.  I blame senility.

Edited October 2, 2023 by strichener

[Glen Sannox]

On 29/09/2023 at 18:31, Suspect Device said:

 

They should ban private schools completely. Like Finland.

They are just another way of the elite maintaining their grip on society. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Look at the top of society and where they were educated. The same schools will keep coming up because it is not just the education that their parents are paying for, it's the network. Far more important than your qualifications.

I didn’t realise that Finland was banned completely. Seems harsh.

 

 

[Crùbag]

On 29/09/2023 at 18:31, Suspect Device said:

 

They should ban private schools completely. Like Finland.

They are just another way of the elite maintaining their grip on society. What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Look at the top of society and where they were educated. The same schools will keep coming up because it is not just the education that their parents are paying for, it's the network. Far more important than your qualifications.

And Finland is regularly at the top of educational achievement tables.

Axing charitable status for the posho schools isn't that radical and yet Labour can't even bring itself to put any water between them and the Tories, even on that issue.