GAD Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: But it is. They lost 3% of their councillors by being vague, the Tories lost 25% being brexity but bad at it. Brexit Party will do tremendously at EU elex thanks to PR but will gut the Tory vote at a GE 10x as badly as Labour which lets Labour in under FPTP. It's Felipe Scolari type tactics but it'll grind out a result. Not a majority but the Tories won't be in government, which is good enough for a lot of people. But the 25% the Tories lost didn't go to Labour. The 1000+ seats their rival in a 2 horse race lost all went elsewhere, mostly to actual remain parties. That doesn't signal a Labour win in any upcoming GE for me. It was a disaster for Labour and yesterday coming out and doubling down on their "The people want Brexit" mantra has made it worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: They don't need to go to Labour, if Labour's strategy is by and large resilient, as it seems to be. Look what happened to the SNP in 2017, they lost a pile of seats not because their voters flipped to the tories in huge numbers, but because their supporters just didn't turn up for the SNP. Same thing'll happen for the tories in England at the next GE. But they won't turn up for Labour either at this rate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Don't forget the local elections down south left this result - Tories 43%Labour 24%LibDems 15%Independents 14%Greens 3%UKIP 0.3% When was the last time an opposition ended up losing seats at what is effectively a mid-term popularity poll? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 53 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: Don't forget the local elections down south left this result - Tories 43%Labour 24%LibDems 15%Independents 14%Greens 3%UKIP 0.3% When was the last time an opposition ended up losing seats at what is effectively a mid-term popularity poll? Surprised by these numbers but it was hardly a random sample. No London for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: Surprised by these numbers but it was hardly a random sample. No London for example. You can only count the elections that actually happened though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said: You can only count the elections that actually happened though. Aye, there's enough shite posted on this thread without "what ifs, and aye, buts". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said: You can only count the elections that actually happened though. Yes, but the numbers don't translate to a UK wide poll, or even England wide. If you polled mainly Council estates you'd get Labour heading for a record landslide even when they're nationally polling at under 30%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Yes, but the numbers don't translate to a UK wide poll, or even England wide. If you polled mainly Council estates you'd get Labour heading for a record landslide even when they're nationally polling at under 30%. Would you? Consider Labour lost Hartlepool, Sunderland, Barnsley etc etc. With the exception of London, this is as random a selection of councils as you're going to get and both Labour & the Tories lost seats you'd think were rock solid. My tuppence worth? By equivocating on Brexit, both Labour and the Tories fell between the two fences and ended up pleasing none of their supporters who either didn't turn out or voted for indys, greens and the LibDems as a protest. If either of them comes out strongly in/out they'll pick up votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Are those that work for Labour in there Hq really going to strike over pay and conditions? 🤣 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Are those that work for Labour in there Hq really going to strike over pay and conditions? Where you seeing that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Where you seeing that? https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/103747/labour-staff-could-take-strike-action-after 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, doulikefish said: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/103747/labour-staff-could-take-strike-action-after So they were all offered an £800 pay rise and 5 non-back holidays over the Christmas period and they're calling for strike action? Champagne is tasting a lot more like socialism these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Labour [emoji38] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) Sounds like shite. Edited May 19, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Sounds like shite.Fancy Labour in double figures this Thursday ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Wouldn’t expressing that statement be grounds for expulsion from the party? It’s clearly a lot of shite though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: Wouldn’t expressing that statement be grounds for expulsion from the party? It’s clearly a lot of shite though. Not if done anonymously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I went to uni with a lot of guys who are staffers in the labour party, even worked on the better together campaign. When we were at uni it was folks from that group who actually convinced me about independence. Im not surprised to see their votes not going to labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I can’t wait for this c**t to be deselected/ to be fired into the sun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, NotThePars said: I can’t wait for this c**t to be deselected/ to be fired into the sun. Trying to get Loathsome elected by criticising her should be the duty of every Labour member. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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