Southport stabbings

[carpetmonster]

4 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

With the nature of the physical damage inflicted on their own and their woeful level of misunderstanding of reality, they might be sentenced to watching endless reruns of cartoons featuring roadrunner and coyote, but these might be too advanced for the ignorant oafs.

I’d much rather they were sentenced to QC testing the ACME Corporation’s various products and not have coyotes hurt themselves off poorly made dynamite powered roller skates 

[Mark Connolly]

Looks like Wacky had a cracking few days on the bevvy in Southport...

[Granny Danger]

26 minutes ago, Sheas_cake said:

I was going to take this absolute drivel apart piece by piece but you're either a pathetic wee troll, or a pathetic attention-seeker. Either way, enjoy your night m8 etc etc. 

 

 

Yip, can’t believe how many posters have given lengthy considered responses to his pish.

[LIVIFOREVER]

57 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Or bricks in the baws.

Can we upgrade them to breeze blocks dropped from 100 feet. Or that car cannon thing from top gear, that they used to fire cars onto a caravan in a quarry, could stake out the brain dead rioters and paint a target around them, turning it into a gameshow where contestants got pts for where the car landed, the bullseye being a direct hit on the protester rioter arsehole racist.

[Granny Danger]

[Freedom Farter]

On 31/07/2024 at 11:59, Freedom Farter said:

I haven't read the whole thread so if someone has already made a point similar to this, apologies.

For young men committing crimes like this, maybe under 25 to put an arbitrary age number on it, and certainly for young men living with their parents, there needs to at least be a discussion about what the people close to the criminal were doing. There are parents who are harbouring a son they know is a threat to society but they do nothing about it because he's their son. I don't know if that was the case here but it certainly is the case often. Sometimes I'd say that conspiracy of inaction extends beyond just the parents. Whatever the immediate social circle of these dangerous young men is, we need to create a culture where folk who know this man is a potential threat come forward with that information before the criminal violence happens. What form that takes, I don't know. I obviously don't mean turn up at a police station and just say at the front desk "my son is going to murder a load of children" like its Minority Report. But there should be some mechanism where folk can notify the state of a potential threat, social work or whatever, so intervention happens. Then as a wider culture, we need to champion folk for doing that, for coming forward with their fears about a threat posed by a family member.

I put that before and having now read some basic background on the family, I'm even more inclined to suggest a failing from the parents. 

https://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/national/24492017.teenager-accused-southport-murders-rarely-left-family-home/

That report describes Rudakabana as having "rarely left the family home", having "no digital footprint" and claims he "did not mix with others".

It seems he was clearly antisocial. Maybe he had behavioural issues which made socialising a struggle. Maybe he was poorly parented where their decisions contributed to his social isolation.

He has a brother who is a wheelchair user and attends university. That brother is described in reports as sociable and "normal".

The parents are currently in hiding, I read. No doubt devastated and wracked with guilt. There should be no witch hunt with them but what was happening at home needs looked at so we can better learn how to prevent this in future.

One aspect where their migrant background could come into play is that as Rwandans in Southport, they'll have been unique in that locality. There aren't many Rwandans in UK and of those there are, most are in London. The mother herself may've struggled socially and is described as "stay-at-home". If she was somewhat socially isolated then that would've impacted her ability to engage with state support mechanisms to help her with her son. There's no way her son just got up one day and stabbed multiple people having never had a violent outburst before. I wonder if the mother had the support she needed to deal with him. 

Last point, he probably left school sometime in the last year or two. That can be a dangerous time as support which was being organised through the school suddenly ends overnight. The transition from child/adolescent to adult services can be a "slips through the cracks" period.

Edited August 1 by Freedom Farter

[Freedom Farter]

25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Oh, I missed this. Very relevant.

[Monkey Tennis]

4 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Yip, can’t believe how many posters have given lengthy considered responses to his pish.

A failure to challenge such pish lets it flourish.  

Edited August 1 by Monkey Tennis

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, throbber said:

That post by wacky 

A worse one got removed.

[parsforlife]

I'm abit against the wacky pile-on TBH , he's genuine poster, he's not just jumped on the board to push an agenda nor are they a troll.

They have posted an opinion that has been ripped apart already and I agree with those who have argued against it.

But if we are going to convince people like wacky against the far right agenda then just attacking them doesn't work, we need a space to talk openly.

Edited August 1 by parsforlife

[LIVIFOREVER]

6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

A failure to challenge such pish let's it flourish.  

That's the thing, Farage and his ilk get away with peddling complete made up pish about immigration in this country, that post where the woman was telling the facts and figures of where immigrants go, and how little the UK actually take compared to other countries should be made wide knowledge, to stop the lies from flourishing from ignorance.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said:

I put that before and having now read some basic background on the family, I'm even more inclined to suggest a failing from the parents. 

https://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/national/24492017.teenager-accused-southport-murders-rarely-left-family-home/

That report describes Rudakabana as having "rarely left the family home", having "no digital footprint" and claims he "did not mix with others".

It seems he was clearly antisocial. Maybe he had behavioural issues which made socialising a struggle. Maybe he was poorly parented where their decisions contributed to his social isolation.

He has a brother who is a wheelchair user and attends university. That brother is described in reports as sociable and "normal".

The parents are currently in hiding, I read. No doubt devastated and wracked with guilt. There should be no witch hunt with them but what was happening at home needs looked at so we can better learn how to prevent this in future.

One aspect where their migrant background could come into play is that as Rwandans in Southport, they'll have been unique in that locality. There aren't many Rwandans in UK and of those there are, most are in London. The mother herself may've struggled socially and is described as "stay-at-home". If she was somewhat socially isolated then that would've impacted her ability to engage with state support mechanisms to help her with her son. There's no way her son just got up one day and stabbed multiple people having never had a violent outburst before. I wonder if the mother had the support she needed to deal with him. 

Last point, he probably left school sometime in the last year or two. That can be a dangerous time as support which was being organised through the school suddenly ends overnight. The transition from child/adolescent to adult services can be a "slips through the cracks" period.

It's very concerning how many youngsters lead existences like that these days.

You're right to identify leaving school as dangerous, in that supports and attention can cease or at least wind down.  It's one of the reasons I'm increasingly concerned about kids stopping attending when not yet old enough, or becoming 'home schooled' with minimal checks.

There will be literally tens of thousands of boys nationwide who seldom leave the house, or even their rooms.  It's a huge worry for varying reasons.

[parsforlife]

6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

It's very concerning how many youngsters lead existences like that these days.

You're right to identify leaving school as dangerous, in that supports and attention can cease or at least wind down.  It's one of the reasons I'm increasingly concerned about kids stopping attending when not yet old enough, or becoming 'home schooled' with minimal checks.

There will be literally tens of thousands of boys nationwide who seldom leave the house, or even their rooms.  It's a huge worry for varying reasons.

I have a small amount of interaction with home schooled kids, they are certainly different, not always in a bad way, I wouldn't put a single one in a category anywhere near being worried they'd become child murderers.

 

[19QOS19]

40 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

I'm abit against the wacky pile-on TBH , he's genuine poster, he's not just jumped on the board to push an agenda nor are they a troll.

They have posted an opinion that has been ripped apart already and I agree with those who have argued against it.

But if we are going to convince people like wacky against the far right agenda then just attacking them doesn't work, we need a space to talk openly.

I'm guessing posts were deleted? I haven't read anything abusive towards such a vile post, just posts trying to point him in the right direction of educating himself. 

[Monkey Tennis]

31 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

I have a small amount of interaction with home schooled kids, they are certainly different, not always in a bad way, I wouldn't put a single one in a category anywhere near being worried they'd become child murderers.

 

I'm certainly not making any such suggestion either.  

I was more making the point that it removes youngsters and their families from both scrutiny and supports.  

I've got very direct involvement in the process, what it requires and what it results in.  It concerns me.  

[Melanius Mullarkey]

21 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

I'm guessing posts were deleted? I haven't read anything abusive towards such a vile post, just posts trying to point him in the right direction of educating himself. 

I think the Princess Di meme broke him.

The power of The People’s Princess.

[Monkey Tennis]

22 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

I'm guessing posts were deleted? I haven't read anything abusive towards such a vile post, just posts trying to point him in the right direction of educating himself. 

I think one was taken down rather than deleted by its author, given that posts quoting it vanished too.

[parsforlife]

17 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

I'm guessing posts were deleted? I haven't read anything abusive towards such a vile post, just posts trying to point him in the right direction of educating himself. 

Nothing deleted as far as I'm aware, not saying anything has been directly abusive, some have been mocking and there has been a hell of a lot of downvotes. Now I can see why folk react like that and I can't complain about it.  However whilst I can't talk for wacky  where does someone go with such a negative reaction to expressing their views? Do they continue to talk and be tuned around? Or do the chuck p&b as just a liberal agenda and go post exclusively in an echo chamber?  I strongly suspect the later.

1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I'm certainly not making any such suggestion either.  

I was more making the point that it removes youngsters and their families from both scrutiny and supports.  

I've got very direct involvement in the process, what it requires and what it results in.  It concerns me.  

Perhaps and I guess I have concerns that at times infrequent visits of a few hours per week with my organisation maybe the closest link they have to overall social structures is a problem when they could have many more eyes in the school structure.

[19QOS19]

1 minute ago, parsforlife said:

Nothing deleted as far as I'm aware, not saying anything has been directly abusive, some have been mocking and there has been a hell of a lot of downvotes. Now I can see why folk react like that and I can't complain about it.  However whilst I can't talk for wacky  where does someone go with such a negative reaction to expressing their views? Do they continue to talk and be tuned around? Or do the chuck p&b as just a liberal agenda and go post exclusively in an echo chamber?  I strongly suspect the later.

I think if folk have such views they have no interest in trivial things such as facts. Sadly, I've had the exact discussion with a colleague of mine giving it the "but they aw come here cuz we're a soft touch". While I appreciate what you're saying, when I pointed out the immigration/refugee statistics to this person much like @GordonSdid to @Wacky, rather than take a step back and think "Wow. I'm maybe not as informed as I thought/we really don't take in that many people", they doubled down and pretty much said my facts were nonsense. 

These folk are in the same mold as flat-earthers. Facts won't stop them and their ignorant agendas. 

 

[Monkey Tennis]

2 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

Perhaps and I guess I have concerns that at times infrequent visits of a few hours per week with my organisation maybe the closest link they have to overall social structures is a problem when they could have many more eyes in the school structure.

There are kids being home schooled who have no such visits with any organisations.  That concerns me hugely.  

There's been a massive increase in requests and they are often now coming from youngsters and families around whom there are already concerns.

It takes them right underneath the radar provided by social interaction and structure.