Treble Chasing Motherwell vs St Mirren - 28/09/24

[Torfason]

24 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said:

The cup game against Utd with no VAR was such a refreshing change. Get it in the bin - if officials are going to make mistakes, just let them get it on with it rather than huge delays to double down on them.

Absolutely sums VAR up for me. It was welcomed as a way of helping our low quality referees but in reality it's the same low quality referees reviewing it. 

[TPAFKA Jersey 2]

2 hours ago, well again said:

The fact that Langfield is the goalie coach explains the fact that your goalkeeper is garbage.

That’s got to be either the worst bait in the history of bait, or the most ill informed comment in board history.

Which one is it? Come on tell us…tell us. Are you shite at wind ups or thick as f**k?

[joewarkfanclub]

21 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

There's an argument to be had about 'if that's given then you give 3 or 4 a game' and there is some truth in that. I watched Mandron get held in a similar fashion twice in the second half yesterday.

Key difference is though that the Motherwell player was doing so with a degree of subtlety, it can be disguised quite easily as mere jostling or jockeying for position in amongst a thrall of players. Fraser was doing so absolutely blatantly, no-one else near him and his man and in full view of the referee. It's definitely in the soft category and I had a bit of rant about it during the match but I'm in no doubt it was a penalty on further viewing. 

Had he been facing the right way and not been right in front of the referee, he might have got away with it. As you say, happens at every free kick and corner, but he pretty much landed on top of Casey, so there was no hiding place for him!

[Vietnam91]

7 hours ago, mcginns said:

Stephen O' Donnell wants to take a look a himself. Rolling about holding his shin for the second yellow when Tanzer stood on his foot and going down he's been shot after the shoulder challenge for the first yellow. A more savvy ref would have seen both for what they were,  a clear attempt to con the ref into taking action.

He's 32, he can't reach his metatarsal.

[Hendo]

3 hours ago, Torfason said:

Absolutely sums VAR up for me. It was welcomed as a way of helping our low quality referees but in reality it's the same low quality referees reviewing it. 

It doesn't help that they now have specialist VAR refs, which in theory should improve the decision making as they are more used to doing it, but in reality it tends to be the worst referees like Greg Aitken and Andrew Dallas, so they miss things all the time.

[crazylegsjoe_mfc]

3 hours ago, Torfason said:

Absolutely sums VAR up for me. It was welcomed as a way of helping our low quality referees but in reality it's the same low quality referees reviewing it. 

Another issue presented by it is that the Premiership will now have an additional six referees working on the league on a weekly basis, who theoretically wouldn't have been considered to have the quality to referee in the division pre-VAR and it's not like we were praising the ones we already had often.

4 hours ago, djchapsticks said:

There's an argument to be had about 'if that's given then you give 3 or 4 a game' and there is some truth in that.

I've long since thought that a good way of eradicating shoves in the box would be to have a mad spell of giving 3 or 4 pens a game. Obviously we benefited from it being punished yesterday, but it rips my knitting how much people get away with it on a weekly basis. 

[Cloontang]

I thoroughly enjoyed that game Saturday; I feared the worst after conceding so early. I think that was probably Mark O’Hara’s best game for us, lovely through ball to Moses early in the first half where he should have hit the target at the very least. That is two penalty kicks he has missed this year, ironically enough, I think the only one Mark missed for us was against St. Mirren.

It was quite refreshing to be on the end of a positive refereeing decision for once in this fixture as Bobby Madden, not wanting to upset his brother-in-law, has overseen the McGrath dive in the box, which he subsequently missed, then you had Mugabi’s fresh air swipe, in which Goodwin heard contact from the dugout area, and then finally Brophy bulldozing straight into Solholm, then you had all the retake stuff that followed.

[Handsome_Devil]

VAR is pish.

The current handball interpretation is pish.

The combination of the two, Jesus wept.

Where I do have sympathy for refs (in general) is that the environment in which they make decisions is tougher than ever and inevitably it will create more mistakes, while at the same time more scrutiny of them. Everything is faster, fouls are given way more easily, players will roll around at the slightest touch and there's multiple camera angles for review.

Only Tanser himself will know if he could have avoided landing on SOD's foot for his second yellow - on one hand it's the sort of cheeky leave one on him while looking innocent players from pub to Premier level indulge in every week, on the other it would have been phenomenally stupid to do deliberately in the circumstances.

For the little that it's worth, I'd have let him off and I don't think the referee had any business not giving him the benefit of the doubt either. SOD obviously did his bit to help convince him. But 30 years ago, if there's no prospect of a foul, the player just jogs on and the game continues so the ref isn't in a position where he has to make a call at all...and there are now so many of these, even if they get the majority right as a percentage, the actual number of errors becomes quite high.

Tldr modern football is rubbish.

[TPAFKA Jersey 2]

One of the main problems with VAR (in Scotland at least) is that it seems its primary raison d’etre is try to not make the refs look like useless c***s. 
As long as that remains the case (and refs continue to be useless c***s), it will never be fit for purpose. 

[Bobby_F]

Just got around to watching the highlights.  

Feel so sorry for Tanser. 

If anyone asked Alexa for an example of a referee trying to even things up, surely that’s the footage that would come up.  

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13 hours ago, Bobby_F said:

Just got around to watching the highlights.  

Feel so sorry for Tanser. 

If anyone asked Alexa for an example of a referee trying to even things up, surely that’s the footage that would come up.  

But what did he need to even up? Casey's red card was a clear as you could possibly get.

[Bobby_F]

1 hour ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

But what did he need to even up? Casey's red card was a clear as you could possibly get.

Fair point.

And I guess given VAR gave Motherwell what proved to be the winning goal after one of the most obvious handball decisions I’ve seen, he should have been evening themselves up the other way.

Be interesting to see how long it takes for this guy to get another top flight game.

[joewarkfanclub]

On 01/10/2024 at 12:37, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

But what did he need to even up? Casey's red card was a clear as you could possibly get.

It really isnt.

It clearly hits his hand, but a red for trying to block a shot with your arms across your chest doesnt scream deliberate to me.

When I watched the highlights, I was waiting for a Gordon Banks type save from the big man.

For the record, Tanser should never have been sent off for that challenge.

Edited Wednesday at 22:00 by joewarkfanclub

[AW saint]

26 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

It really isnt.

It clearly hits his hand, but a red for trying to block a shot with your arms across your chest doesnt scream deliberate to me.

When I watched the highlights, I was waiting for a Gordon Banks type save from the big man.

For the record, Tanser should never have been sent off for that challenge.

Need to take your well glasses off mate

[joewarkfanclub]

10 minutes ago, AW saint said:

Need to take your well glasses off mate

Not really.

But some clarification on what constututes a red card for hand ball in the box would be nice.

We all think we know what it means, or what it should mean.

But its rarely ever that simple.

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10 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

It really isnt.

It clearly hits his hand, but a red for trying to block a shot with your arms across your chest doesnt scream deliberate to me.

When I watched the highlights, I was waiting for a Gordon Banks type save from the big man.

For the record, Tanser should never have been sent off for that challenge.

His hands were not across his chest mate. He made an actual save. Arguing that isn’t a nailed on red is absolute bonkers. 

[mcfadden22]

I will accept it was a red but please explain how Souttar was not carded for his “save” that led to the penalty

[ZingaliMan]

Was speaking to a Newcastle season ticket holder last night about Newton & Dummett. He said Dummett was a great servant to Newcastle a player he liked. His contract was not renewed however he still trains with Newcastle till he finds a club. He is 33 now but maybe one or two seasons left in him.  I would imagine at this stage in his career it's about the love of the game rather than money. Saints legend hope he finds a club. 

[Torfason]

4 hours ago, mcfadden22 said:

I will accept it was a red but please explain how Souttar was not carded for his “save” that led to the penalty

Because he plays for Sevco. The cheeks don't compare to any other team in the league when it comes to officiating, league management, policing, media coverage, etc, etc................

[AW saint]

2 hours ago, ZingaliMan said:

Was speaking to a Newcastle season ticket holder last night about Newton & Dummett. He said Dummett was a great servant to Newcastle a player he liked. His contract was not renewed however he still trains with Newcastle till he finds a club. He is 33 now but maybe one or two seasons left in him.  I would imagine at this stage in his career it's about the love of the game rather than money. Saints legend hope he finds a club. 

Would take him now but sadly we could not afford him